It has nothing to do with your lips. The inflammation and constant peeling is caused from the gut. It’s a bacterial imbalance in your gut that is causing the symptoms on your lips. Once I stopped worrying about my lips and tried to do everything for my gut I started healing and quickly.
I became stressed, depressed and then obsessed to find a cure for this. I have done so much research that proves it stems from the gut. I have spent so much money just like everyone else doing things to help my lips that did absolutely nothing. I read every Reddit post and found all outdated studies on EC. But someone on a Facebook group page that I joined about EC, mentioned the gut health root cause. Which lead me to find everything I need to prove that it was overgrowth of a certain bacteria in my gut.
I believe not all EC is the same because it can be any of the thousands of bacteria that live in our gut that is overgrown. Again this is my opinion based on everything I found. But the best thing you can do is eat only things that are beneficial to our gut health. Not sugar, alcohol, stress, etc. To recover your gut can take weeks up to months to regulate which is why it takes people so long or never to fix it. Not everyone is willing to sacrifice all the things that tempt us in our daily lives but the sacrifice has to be made until your gut is completely restored.
Eating super clean was a major step for me but when helped speed up the process for me was using the Biocidin LSF remove supplement. It’s an expensive botanical (won’t get into too much detail make sure you research it completely before using it) that essentially removes bad bacteria and helps create new good bacteria. Within 2 week of using it I stopped getting the yellow peeling. A month in and I could see all my skin growing in healthy. I will explain my daily routine below.

1. Wake up drink warm water with lemon to help start my digestion system.
2. Take the Biocidin (started with one pump a day and moved on to 3 pumps multiple times a day.
3. Eat fruit for breakfast
4. Worked out (this helps with your gut and mental health) I lost 20lbs in the month that I did this routine from eating clean and keeping active
5. My lunch was always fish, brown rice, and avocado.
6. Stay hydrated and keep up with oral hygiene. I was using Vaseline throughout the whole day.
7. Dinner was lighter, I would do fried eggs in coconut oil and sautéed spinach and raw broccoli.
8. Dessert was oikos Greek yogurt, taste delicious and has low sugar and 15g of protein per serving. Highly recommended this one especially Greek yogurt being one of the best things for your gut.
9. End the night by taking Biocidin and then the detox pill from Biocidin as well.

That was my main routine for weeks eventually I started slowly added things back to my diet and making smoothies with collagen to help promote skin growth. But the main things are eating clean, the Biocidin, rest, and working out. Don’t stop until you have seen a full recovery. Hope everyone heals from this. Good luck to all and ask any questions.

Good Morning!

With patch 6.4 looming on the horizon, the Overseas Casuals team are rip-rarin'-'n'-ready to go! Our researchers will be looking for the new animals, finding the new buildings and materials, mapping out the new zone(s), and solving the new workshop products and pasture setups as quickly as humanly possible.
Which brings us to the caveat: We're human! Mostly. ^{Actually only two of us are human. Xur's a ginger, Mienna the workshop witch turned Polar into an actual parrot and Leiton into a bat wearing sunglasses, and we found out R'hasti was literally just a cat this whole time. HELP-}
Between work and other expectations, we unfortunately can't quite no-life the game. That's why we've built up a community of wonderful folk like yourselves, to help us find and assemble the data into one nice and neat lil place. The OC team will primarily be keeping up with the Discord, as we've set up research centers, bots, and hierarchies to help us coordinate the data, get the data confirmed, and keep everything all neat and organized. Feel free to post comments in this thread with any information you find from in-game or from other sources.
I will be doing the best I can to keep this page updated with all new information throughout the day, as well as bringing any information posted as replies here to our research team. In addition, I will be updating the 6.3 beta of the Comprehensive Guide with all of the new 6.4 information.
Which brings me to the next caveat: The Comprehensive Guide will no longer contain a workshop solver. With the ever-increasing list of agendas soon to be in the millions, solving the optimal agenda is no longer possible on a Google spreadsheet. Believe me, we've tried. The Reddit threads will continue, as will the Twitter posts and Discord announcements. The Comprehensive Guide will now simply focus on explaining all details of the island as much as possible, while directing people to our established sources of optimal agendas for those who want them.
Mienna, the queen of the workshop herself, is getting married! So she will be exceptionally busy. I have work from 7am-3pm Eastern, so I will be exceptionally slow during that time to update this thread and the guide. I will be compiling all of the data I can into This Spreadsheet. I hope to have everything all tidied up and looking fabulous within a few days, but like I said before, we're all human, and there's only so much quartz-looping anyone can stand.
Thanks all for being amazing and supportive thus far, and enjoy Patch 6.4!

Patch 6.4 Data Discovered Thus Far:

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New Materials	New Crafts	New Tools	New Animals
Coal	Rank 12 - Stove	Steel Hammer	Alkonost (Medium, Shiny, Feather + Egg, x23.0 y30.5, 2100-2400 & Clear Skies)
Shale	Lantern	Spelunking Tools	Funguar (Small, Shiny, Fur + Fleece, x20.0, y27.0, 1500-1800 & Rain)
Glimshroom	Natron	Bestestest Builder's Tools	Weird Spriggan (Large, Shiny, Fur + Fang, x24.0 y18.0, 2400-0300 & Fog)
Marble	Bouillabaisse		Wild Boar (Large, Fang + Horn, x16.0, y16.0)
Mythril Ore	Rank 13 - Fossil Display		Boar of Paradise (Large, Shiny, Horn + Fang, x17.0, y16.0, Showers)
Effervescent Water	Bathtub		Quartz Spriggan (Small, Fang + Fur, x23.8 y18.7)
Spectrine	Spectacles		Amethyst Spriggan (Small, Shiny, Fur+ Fang, x23.8 y18.7, 2100-2400 Eorzean, has 2 spawning locations)
Cave Shrimp (New granary area)	Cooling Glass
Runner Beans (crop)	Rank 14 - Runner Bean Saute
Beets (crop)	Beet Soup
Eggplant (crop)	Imam Bayildi
Zucchini (crop)	Pickled Zucchini

▬▬ New Materials

• Glimshroom (Mushroom nodes in cave)
  
• Coal & Shale (Composite Rock nodes in cave)
  
• Effervescent Water & Spectrine (Stalagmite nodes in cave)
  
• Marble (White Rock nodes, not in cave) Ideal loop: Northern River ~(X: 18.4, Y: 22.5)
  
• Mythril Ore (Copper Ore nodes, not in cave) Ideal loop: Southeastern Cliff ~(X: 30, Y: 28.6), alternatively, more north of the Northern River area
  
• Cave Shrimp (Granary Material from the 6th location) Notes: Secondary materials need the Islekeep's Steel Hammer (R13). The cave area needs Mammet-sized Spelunking Tools (R12)
  

▬▬ Upgrades

• Mammet-sized Spelunking Tools (R12, unlocks new area. Unlocked via the questline)
  
• Islekeep's Steel Hammer (R13, gets you Coal, Spectrine, Marble, and Mythril Ore from their respective nodes)
  
• Cozy Cabin 4 (R13)
  
• Granary 4 (R13)
  
• Workshop 4 (R14)
  
• 4 new Crop Seeds: Runner Beans, Beets, Eggplants, Zucchini (R14, Cropland Vendor) [New crops are only used in all R14 recipes]
  
• Bestestest Mammet-sized Builder's Tools (R15, unlocks the new area via Pathfinder 6)
  
• 4th Workshop (R15 and Pathfinder 6 unlocked)
  
• 5th Landmark (R15 and Pathfinder 6 unlocked)
  

▬▬ Everything Else

• 50 Minions and 90 Furnishings (R15 and Pathfinder 6 unlocked) [R12 is 40 Minions and 75 Furnishings]
  
• Buffalo Mount & New Glams (R16)
  
• It seems all other vendor items are R12?. Nothing new (vendor-wise) seemed to have unlocked at R15?
  

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Basically the title...Lsf reached their first ever #1 on melon by overtaking Ive I am. I really wanna appreciate lsf for their growth. They were able to achieve this in a full house with all the plagiarism accusations & smear campaigns. I am really happy to see their increasing popularity & they've been breaking so many records (fastest billboard #6,sales ,streams etc) with this cb.I noticed that reddit always underestimates them. I've seen comments and posts saying that only NJ or maybe idle could dethrone Ive from the first spot on k-charts but the reality is that every fourth gen gg is doing so well that we just can't rank them atp. If one group sets a record, the other group breaks that shortly. K pop is truly at its peak !! And ggs are dominating the charts
PS- I figured out that ppl downplay lsf's success bcz they don't have PAKs. I believe that PAK depends on the time of release. When you make a cb with other digimons, it's very difficult to secure a PAK . LSF always releases its albums in a full house. Even antifragile had #2 in all charts & it was idle's nxde that was blocking them

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Context
So, first, my ult group is LSF and I’m a Chelsea fan, so there’s that.
But also just generally. Thiago Silva has played for three big European clubs (Milan, PSG, and Chelsea) and Sakura has debuted with three major idol groups (AKB/HKT, IZ*One and LSF). Both are the oldest members of their current groups, and both are important leaders for their respective groups despite neither having the actual title of captain/leader.
Both Sakura and Silva were successful domestically with their first two groups. AKB48 singles regularly topped Japanese charts, and IZ*One were literally IZ*One. Meanwhile Silva won a Serie A with Milan, and a plethora of French trophies with PSG. But neither have yet had major domestic success with their current groups; Le Sserafim aren’t quite as popular as NewJeans or IVE, and Chelsea are, frankly, garbage.
And funnily enough, Sakura leaving AKB48 (her first group) coincided with the downturn in the popularity of the group in Japan. Likewise, Silva’s title with Milan (his first major club) would be their last title for a decade, beginning what would be known as the “banter years” among fans.
The most important trophy in European football is the Champions League trophy. And despite success with both Milan and PSG, Silva didn’t win a UCL until his move to Chelsea, his third major club.
And, if we consider the most important trophy in kpop to be daesangs, then Sakura hasn’t won any daesangs with her first two groups (granted, I don’t imagine AKB are even eligible). So, if she’s going to win any daesangs, it’s going to be with her third group, LSF.
And hell, if you really want to stretch the analogy, both of their third groups had some type of major member removed from them due to serious allegations. LSF had Garam kicked out because of bullying allegations, and Chelsea had Abramovich kicked out because of allegations of ties to the Russian government.
Anyway, ultimately, both Sakura and Silva have had wild careers that have taken them around their respective industries. Their experience has led them to be well-respected by everyone who knows who they are, even if neither have been as successful as, say, Real Madrid or Blackpink.
Also just by the way, Kai is a Chelsea fan, so stream Rover to help my man out.
Edit: no way someone gave this a gold oml

A few weeks ago, I did my post on NCT 127’s music and how much I enjoyed the month-long “journey.” After them, I wanted to do a female artist whose music wouldn’t take me long to go through: Iz*One and SISTAR were the more than likely candidates.
Obviously, from the title, I chose Iz*One - this was an interesting case since they would be the first temporary group I would discover.
Now, I got into K-Pop late 2019; focusing on groups like Blackpink, KARD, Itzy, and Everglow until mid 2020, so IzOne didn’t really cross my radar until late 2020 when I heard about Panorama. So, my knowledge of IzOne mostly stemmed from members who are now in a different group or debuted as a soloist.
Unlike WOODZ and 127, I didn’t really have any high expectations, but that’s because I haven’t heard much about their b-sides, so I was basically going off a clean slate. However, I just did their Korean albums - I’ll eventually dwell into their Japanese releases in later time. Like I said, I wanted this to be a quick journey lol.
But so far, I liked what I was hearing! The title tracks were really amazing! I especially enjoyed their debut and Secret Story of the Swan (badass title, btw). The reason why I named this “Glitter in a K-Pop Group” is because, come on… how can you NOT feel pretty (hehe) while listening to their music? It’s like the Disney Princesses came together and decided to have the music industry in a chokehold (which they technically already do, but still).
Most of the b-sides weren’t anything outstanding, but it was far from bad, I ranked most of them a 9/10 - which was “definitely saving it to the playlist, but something is preventing it from making it a 10/10.” Also, the beat in Eyes go kinda crazy, ngl lol.
I watched most of the M/Vs and live stages, and I really enjoyed watching the choreography/performances! I’m usually a sucker for smaller groups, but bigger groups are definitely an eye-catcher when it comes to dance.
Side tangent: I’m in LOVE with Yuri’s voice! It’s so strong; I believe she’s one of the members that went solo, so I’ll definitely check her out whenever I have free time.
Also, was Wonyoung a center, face of the group, and/or visual in Iz*One? I swear, she’s so adorable and captivating whenever I saw her on screen! She knows how to make the title track chorus memorable, in my eyes!
Results:
Top 3 Title Tracks:

1. Secret Story of the Swan
2. La Vie en Rose
3. Violeta

Top 10 B-Sides:

1. O Sole Mio
2. Highlight
3. Open Your Eyes
4. Eyes
5. Daydream
6. O’My!
7. Sequence
8. Colors
9. Mis-en-scene
10. Hey. Bae. Like It.

Favorite Album: One-ReeleAct IV
Songs Saved: 26/37
Bias: Wonyoung
Bias Wrecker: Eunbi and Yuri
Conclusion:
Unfortunately, I never got into Iz*One when they were active, but I can understand the impact they had and how much their fanbase was (and still is) passionate about them!
I mean, the constant news I heard about most Iz*One members joining groups or going solo was crazy! It’s impressive and beautiful, in a way lol.
I just hope the girls are still thriving as of today! I recently checked out a few b-sides on IVE’s new album during my journey, and the quality is already sounding A-1. Can’t wait to see what LSF’s comeback is bringing to the table.
I heard Eunbi’s Underwater and it was good, but Door and Glitch were fucking amazing! Yena’s Smiley was serotonin-incarnate and I want more lol. I still want to check out Chaeyeon and Yuri’s music, at some point, but so far, I hardly been disappointed!
I have a few options on who my next artist is: I may stick with SISTAR, but GFriend and CLC are also creeping up on my radar, so time will tell!

Hi all,
Looking to continue to broaden my horizons, and learn more about LIC’s - particularly ones that aren’t aiming to replicate indexes.
I’m aware they aren’t this subs favourite flavour, and I currently hold a single one (LSF) compared to my substantial etf holdings.
Does anyone know of any great resources/area experts or even long term posters on reddit/facebook/ even HotCopper that are worth reading/following to dig deeper than the traditional “fund mangers do not beat the index?”.
Hell, theres a good chance I’ll never invest seriously in them, but it can’t help to expand my knowledge.

And now we come to the final part of my series of posts on Soviet sexual sadist and child killer Andrei Chikatilo. In the first post I approached the case from the point of view of the investigation. In the second post I detailed Chikatilo's childhoold and early years, his transformation into a serial murderer, and his eventual capture. Here I'm going to examine what transpired after Chikatilo's arrest, how the detectives managed to get a confession out of him, and what went on during his trial. I should add that I'll be adding visuals to my write-ups in the form of photos, screenshots of video footage, etc. Excuse the generally poor quality, that was early 1990s video cameras for you. Still, I hope they add to your sense of immersion and help transport you to a very different time and place.
As you remember, Chikatilo was finally arrested on 20 November 1990 after a brief period of surveillance. He was handcuffed and taken to a police station, where he was searched. A circumstantial yet key evidence came in the form of a swollen bite mark on the middle finger of the killer's right hand. "What's wrong with you finger?" was the first question that lead investigator Issa Kostoyev asked Chikatilo.
Now let me make a quick detour here because I couldn't decide where exactly to put this information in the previous parts. If you remember, when Chikatilo was arrested in 1984, the police took his blood sample, which became the basis for excluding him from potentially being Citizen X. After all, the killer's blood type was AB, whereas Chikatilo's was A instead. And here's where a fatal mistake had occurred. Now if you've listened to any true crime podcasts on Chikatilo, you've no doubt heard the hosts parrot the idea (which they probably lifted from the same couple of secondary sources) that Chikatilo had a rare condition, whereby a person's blood and protein secretions don't match and come up as different types.
The reality is much simpler: an error was made in determining the killer's blood type, and type A became type AB. As a result, the police wasted time and resources compiling a database of all local men with the wrong blood type, while Chikatilo continued killing. Even the preeminent Soviet forensic biologist Svetlana Gurtovaya would remind the police that Citizen X had blood type AB. After it turned out that the real killer had blood type A, she attempted to cover the grave mistake by invoking an imaginary phenomenon she called "paradoxical secretion". The theory she came up with became a laughing stock all over the world, but no one ended up paying for the mistake. Now let's come back to Chikatilo's arrest.
For Kostoyev, Chikatilo's first interrogation was the culmination of eight years of searching for the elusive serial killer and trying to get into his head. Despite his eagerness to talk to the criminal, Kostoyev was well aware that the investigation possessed no hard evidence they could pin on Chikatilo. They only had ten days to obtain it, after which the man would have been released. While several witnesses identified Chikatilo as the man they had seen with some of the victims shortly before their death, mere contact with victims was hardly proof enough of his guilt. During the first two days following his arrest, Chikatilo was quite talkative, but then fell completely silent.
Now the question of who exactly eventually managed to "crack" Chikatilo and get him to confess is a matter of some debate. Essentially, there are two competing accounts between Issa Kostoyev on one side and psychiatrist Alexander Bukhanovsky and some other detectives on the other. Both sides agree that it was Bukhanovsky to whom Chikatilo eventually confessed, but Kostoyev seems to diminish the psychiatrist's role in the case.
According to him, he promised Chikatilo that he would get the best doctors to examine him and provide psychiatric assistance if necessary. After all, if Chikatilo were to be declared insane, that would mean he was innocent (or so the killer thought). The killer then verbally admitted to murders, but suggested he should be cured before being prosecuted. Kostoyev then told him to provide a written confession, otherwise no treatment would be made available to him. Chikatilo's initial note said, "What I was doing is terrible, my mind can't endure these memories. But it all happened."
The next morning, Kostoyev called Viktor Burakov, another major figure in the case, and asked him to find a psychiatrist. Burakov brought Bukhanovsky to Kostoyev, who then introduced him to Chikatilo as an eminent academic and great expert on mental illnesses, whom the killer could confide in. Kostoyev denies the widespread idea that Bukhanovsky compiled an accurate psychological profile of Citizen X years before his capture, pointing out that said profile only appears in the last volume of the criminal case against Chikatilo from 1991 (why it was only added to the last volume remains a mystery.)
According to several other people involved in the investigation, Bukhanovsky actually did draw up a fairly accurate profile of the Rostov Ripper, correctly identifying him as a plain-looking married man, whose job regularly allowed him to travel and who experienced sexual problems. After Chikatilo was arrested and Kostoyev spent eight days unsuccessfully trying to get him to confess, Bukhanovsky was brought in on Burakov's suggestion and got the killer talking, later even asking his wife to make Chikatilo sandwiches.
The curious thing about this debate is that, while Bukhanovsky was preparing his psychological profile of Citizen X independently of the investigation, Kostoyev had the same idea and contacted the experts from Moscow's Serbsky psychiatric institute. They created a profile which turned out completely inaccurate compared to Bukhanovsky's, a fact that Kostoyev freely admits. My impression is that Kostoyev is a bit of a John Douglas type figure - very smart and tenacious but with a tendency towards self-aggrandisement. Or perhaps he disliked the fact that an independent psychiatrist from Rostov drew up a far more accurate profile of the serial killer than a team of renowned Moscow specialists.
Now coming back to Viktor Burakov for a moment, he was present at most crimes scenes of the Rostov Ripper, but was strangely silent about the case after Chikatilo's capture. The reason for it was that in the 1990s, many Western journalists and authors contacted key investigators, offering them money for exclusive rights to their stories. Burakov signed a contract, selling his story to Robert Cullen (the author of "The Killer Department", which was later adapted into the movie "Citizen X") and thus relinquishing the rights to potential future memoirs. He did, however, keep in possession about two dozen letters that Chikatilo wrote in prison, detailing his life and crimes. The suspicion was that Chikatilo hadn't told the detectives about all of his murders, therefore a carefully chosen petty criminal-turned police informant was placed in prison as his cellmate (unaware of who Chikatilo actually was), whose goal was to coax the killer into confessing to every single crime of his. In exchange, Chikatilo would've been represented by the criminal's imaginary brilliant lawyer.
In any case, for the next two years Chikatilo told the investigation about the murders led and them to undiscovered victims, calmly demonstrating on mannequins the exact ways he would kill women and children using both his hands. "I am left-handed. I write with my right hand and cut food with my left." His confessions were still reluctant, however, and details of many murders had to be pried from him over long periods of time. He was insincere and avoided direct phrases like "I killed him", instead preferring to whine about his own suffering and illness. Here's how detective Amurkhan Yandiyev describes Chikatilo's manner of speech: "[He] talked as if he was mumbling, sort of speaking inwards, as if afraid that a sentence would sound loud and others would hear it. And it was like he was enveloping his interlocutor with that voice of his." Apparently the only time he shed a tear was when he met his wife in prison. He apologised for not heeding her advice and seeking psychiatric help earlier, but assured her that he would get the necessary treatment and things will be right again. He was only ever sorry for himself.
On one occasion, Chikatilo accompanied Kostoyev to Novocherkassk for a reenactment, the two men being linked by a single handcuff with a long chain, giving the killer more flexibility and freedom to move around. They were on the way to a river, flanked by guards and dogs, when Chikatilo suddenly yanked the chain with such force that it sent Kostoyev tumbling to the ground. "Stop, or I'll shoot!" police officers shouted, and Chikatilo did. Apparently, local workers had got wind of the serial killer coming to the area and decided to dispense some vigilante justice. "How many times have you told me that you want to die, that you don't deserve to live after everything you've done?" Kostoyev angrily said to Chikatilo. "And yet the moment you sensed impending death, you legged it so fast you almost made me a cripple."
After Chikatilo was transferred from a special KGB prison to a regular police jail, he started receiving very different, harsher treatment from authorities and, realising that all talk of him getting psychiatric help was just a ruse, he stopped talking about his crimes. And despite Kostoyev getting dozens of confessions out of Chikatilo, discovering most of the victims' bodies, and pretty much ensuring that he would get the most severe possible sentence, the detective was not at all in a celebratory mood. Too much time had been spent on chasing the killer, and too many innoncent people had died. At that point, however, Kostoyev's job was done, and it was the court that had to deal with the Rostov Ripper.
During the trial, Chikatilo would blame his killing spree on everyone and everything but himself. His psyche had been scarred by wartime starvation and the death of his brother, he told the room with a solemn, defeated expression. He had been treated badly by co-workers and neighbours. "Wherever I worked, wherever I was, corpses remained along the way. It just happened... Every year... Clearly I'm some kind of a freak of nature, some filth. I remained a wild wolf. Gone feral in this society." When that tactic failed, he decided to play the insanity card, contorting his face, yelling obscenities at the judge and the guards, or flashing his genitals to the room full of people (yes, a photo of that particular moment exists, but I'm obviously not putting it in.) Outside the courtroom, however, he behaved in a perfectly sane manner, reading newspapers, enjoying regular meals, and playing chess with his cellmate.
One of the murdered boys' father told the judge that he desired a lenient sentence for Chikatilo, but not out of mercy. He just wanted to wait until the killer was released and do to him what he did to the man's son. The people who would lynch Chikatilo were barely contained by the guards and the iron bars of the serial killer's cage. "He doomed us all," the victims' mothers screamed. "We will judge him ourselves!" Like in the trial of Anatoly Slivko, paramedics were on site, ready to administer sedatives to members of the victims' families.
On 14 October 1992, Chikatilo was sentenced to execution by gunshot, a verdict which was met with thunderous applause. He was initally found guilty of 52 murders committed across six regions of Russia, as well as in Uzbekistan and Ukraine. Chikatilo himself confessed to 56 murders, while the detectives had reason to believe he was responsible for 65 killings. Despite claiming a higher number of victims than he was sentenced for, Chikatilo actually appealed the verdict, and in 1993 he was acquitted of 9 cases due to inconclusive evidence, including that of his very first victim Elena Zakotnova (for whom an innocent man Alexander Kravchenko had been executed), bringing the official number of his victims to 43. Interestingly, some of the detectives on the case and even Bukhanovsky himself argued that Chikatilo was clearly mentally ill and thus should have been institutionalised and treated, while the decision to execute him was politically motivated. Agree or disagree, but it was after Chikatilo's execution that Russian law recognised the concept of diminished responsibility.
While on death row, Chikatilo was asked about his thoughts on his final days, to which he said, "I've been in the afterlife for a long time now. I've been killed many times. I've been cut off from the world, there's nothing left there." Did he feel any remorse? "I don't know what is there for me to feel remorse for. I don't even know how many [murders] they pinned on me. How many dozens."
Russia's most infamous serial killer was executed in the early hours of 14 February 1994 by a gunshot to the back of the head.

Chatting over on kpop about Kakao's partnership with Sony Music, chasing global expansion and their first investment is in IVE and having them debut in NA with this new album, has me thinking about the upcoming HYBE and JYP Western groups and the potential of them both. One, HYBE, I believe is audition based and searching for a multi-cultural K-pop group while JYPE is putting together their own exclusively NA K-pop group (assumption being all SK members, ethnically).
The future of K-pop growing in the West, though it has slowed post-pandemic, and it's aiming at the mainstream, involves debuting native ENG speaking K-pop groups whose first market is the West, not SK. How can I say that? That's exactly what HYBE and JYPE are doing. SM was too (NCT-Hollywood) but I believe that's scraped now.
But I was wondering how many of you are actually excited by these upcoming groups by the big K-pop companies and how many of you are not remotely interested. If not, why? I'll be honest, the first thing that pops into my mind as the most common reason would be some of y'all are into K-pop for the foreign aspect of it. Once it becomes NA, with all the members speaking ENG, songs in ENG, and their content is almost all shot in NA, it doesn't feel "special/unique/foreign" and the charm disappears for you.
To everyone, but especially those who are going to vote "not interested", I posit this hypothetical question: what if BP debuted in NA as a NA group but everything else (their music, M/V's, choreo, etc) was all the same, but in ENG? Would a ton of ENG only NA BLINKS really say "not interested"? The music HAS to be in KOR? The group HAS to speak KOR in content? The group HAS to live in KOR and their company be in KOR? If so, why?
Another hypothetical question: what if this group of idols I'm about to list hadn't debuted yet in K-pop and they debuted in 2024, as 20-22 year olds, in an ENG K-pop group by HYBE: Jennie, Rose, Somi, Lily (NMIXX), Yunjin (LSF), Yoohyeon (Dreamcatcher), Wendy and Chungha. (Btw I'm aware they aren't all NA). Are you telling me all that talent, their personalities as you know them today don't matter? You're saying "no thank you, if you're not based in SK, singing in KOR and not speaking KOR I'm out"?
If you're poll answer is it depends, why?
My assumption if you answered "it depends" is if it's just a NA pop group with the K-pop label slapped onto it. Which is to say their music doesn't even lightly smell of K-pop, their style doesn't, their M/V's don't and they act 100% like NA's with absolutely zero idol-concept. Which makes sense and I largely agree. If it's a K-pop group they need to maintain the core aspects of what makes K-pop K-pop.
edit: not gonna lie the downvoting is discouraging. This is a legit discussion piece done in good faith and this sub seems to think it shouldn't exist. Good and interesting engagement with the poll (22 positive, 39 depends, 55 no) and not a single bad or unintelligent comment yet it has 1.6k views, 33% upvote rate and sitting a 0 on the upvote meter. I don't give a shit about "karma" but y'all decide what this sub is with your up/down votes. Is this a sub for good faith interesting discussions or is it just for drama, complaining about twitter and circle jerks about how much you LOVE, live and die for ____ idol/group? Considering what I am discussing is actually in the works from these companies, so it will be happening, I can't imagine why a discussion post about it is being downvoted. If this was just my fantasy rant about something I think needs to happen then sure, think it's weird/unrealistic and downvote away. But this is happening from JYPE and HYBE and so I believe discussion on the matter makes sense.
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I wasted a bunch of time, but I wanted to answer the question if Hasan did or did not attack Train in the past for watching Masterchef.
I saw on LSF someone pointing out that train already did admit last year, that his problem wasn't with Hasan directly, but with Hasans community brigading LSF hate threads about the topic

it’s not even you that I’m upset at, it’s your core community that brigaded all of the Gordon hate threads and now sit there with no fucking shame enjoying their time, I hate mother fuckers like that, all of them should be ashamed

https://twitter.com/Trainwreckstv/status/1478223508597612549
So I decided, to anwer the question what really happened back then, I need to look at old LSF posts.
I searched for posts from before 2020, I most certainly didn't find everything, but I think I found enough to come to the conclusion:

Hasan did not critic Trains react content in any meaningful way, and the people who were in "React Andy" hate threads were mostly not Hasan viewers.
But there was Hasan x Train beef and Hasan fans made negative comments/posts on LSF about train, it just had nothing to do with React content

here are some of the examples of LSF beeing negative towards Train/making fun of him for watching Masterchef:

• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/byk9nx/deleted_by_use
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/c05640/train_has_currently_been_watching_masterchef_fo
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/d4iy6i/train_plays_6th_ep_of_masterchef_for_the_night/
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/eerj1j/hachubby_christmas_rap_right_version/fbyx9ly/?context=10000
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/edqrep/lara_on_what_a_good_female_streamer_is/fbkefay/?context=10000
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/e14lj4/train_reports_a_pro_siege_player_for_cheating_in/f8mju45/?context=2
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/dantmy/amouranth_mod_defends_her_from_squadw/f1swn8q/?context=2
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/c09fpt/trainwreckstv_calls_out_dotesports_journalist_fo
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/clu0qx/gordon_rolls_and_smokes_fatty/
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/caw1o9/trainwrecks_calling_out_forsen_via_stream_title/ (no comments but negative title)
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/c42i8k/trainwrecks_streaming_gordon_ramsey_episodes_and/
• https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/cs040z/trainwrecks_reacting_to_gordon_ramsey/

Hasan is almost never mentioned in any of the comments, and I don't see any reason to believe that the redditors are Hasan viewers (although I didn't check them all). If some other streamer is mentioned, it's mostly xqc and/or Mizkif
Here are some threads about streamer calling Trains reaction out/Train complaining about streamers:

• XQC: https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/ec4vxk/xqc_loses_it_and_goes_off_on_gordo/ (Clip)
• Train on x: https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/c8y2strainwrecks_responds_livestreamfails_haters_about/
• Jakenbake: https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/eaxtb9/jake_calls_out_train/
• Yogcast: https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/egqffy/yogscast_fires_shots_at_trainwrecks_without/ (clip) This was unintentional anti trainwrecks I guess, but still counts

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So now we come to the Hasan x Train beef. What exactly was all that about?
Hasan did critic Train for his anti women takes, some Alinity related drama (we know that's a trigger for Train), peddeling right wing ideas and Hasan went to war against Train for Destiny/Podcast drama.
right wing stuff

• Hasan calling out Train for championing right wing ideas: https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/ay7dvh/hasan_calls_out_train_for_his_stupid_comments/
• Hasan ranting about Train pretending to be a a-political centrist and shutting Destiny and him down https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/b1awpg/hasan_on_train/ (Clip)
• Hasan calling train out for beeing a reactionary https://clips.twitch.tv/NiceEvilPigeonDatBoi
• longer version https://streamable.com/tzinv

sexist stuff

• Hasan calling Train an sexist/pandering to incels: https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/dyxalhasan_d_piker_takes_on_trainwrecks_tweets/
• Hasan reacting to Train x Alinity logs (logs in the comments for those who don't know): https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/bad4gu/hasan_finds_out_about_train_x_alinity_logs/ (clip)
• Train reacts to Hasan making fun of squadW https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/cgwube/train_gives_context_of_2_month_old_hasan_alinity/

Destiny stuff/Podcast drama
There was some drama when Keemstar and destiny where on Trains podcast and train just let keemstar spew lies as confirmed facts. Hasan called Train out for not defending destiny. Train goes full anti Hasan after that.
Hasan coping about not beeing in real drama with train: https://livestreamfails.com/post/44008
here is an explanation from what happened from u/dispoable (4y ago):

>What is the context here? Do Hasan and Trainwrecks have beef now? I haven't watched anything in a long time
>It's been bubbling for a while since Train randomly started going real hard against destiny, hasan, and their "blind followers who will believe destiny's phone is red, even if i say it's black" practically every 5 minutes on his stream for every stream. It was kind of out of the blue when it started but it kept up so much that both of their fanbases got super annoyed by how often train starts those rants against them and their streamers. Which led to hasan calling out train for letting keemstar spew bs as confirmed facts on his podcast was the tipping point for train and he went full anti-hasan and profusely apologized to destiny for being such an ass for like the past month or so and is now replacing his consistent rants on LSF and still hasan

https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/b2cu5b/deleted_by_useeirzdwt/
Trainwrecks mad at Hasan for calling him out: https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/b1bgqtrain_reacts_to_hasan_posts/ (Clip)
Dgg-Post by u/MegaCalibur detailing about how Train goes after Hasan on his podcast and demand Destiny to speak up: https://old.reddit.com/Destiny/comments/b6yqc4/train_goes_after_hasan_on_the_podcast_clips/
Train going of on hasan and "not" sending his viewers to harass him ("please don't go there") https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/b72hum/train_flicks_off_hasan_and_sends_his_sincerest/ (clip)
in the comments posted a now deleted user proof of train admiting to antagonize Hasan and trying to bait LSF hate threads: https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/b72hum/train_flicks_off_hasan_and_sends_his_sincerest/ejp6afw/
looked like train actually wanted the negativ attention at the time: https://gyazo.com/f7098fc055bbad1c7a0a5c5e21c45946
Hassan and Train "talking it out" (didn't seem to have worked that well): https://old.reddit.com/LivestreamFail/comments/b7m2rz/hasan_and_trainwrecks_find_the_solution_for_the/
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I found a bunch of other clips, but I think that's enough to get the point across.
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Did Train get negative comments on LSF for reacting to Masterchef? - Yes
Did Hasan played a big part in this? - no
Did Hasan viewers hated on Train for other reasons? - yes
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For the last point I need to ad, that this was pre bridge burning. Hasans community at that time was actually for the most part this community/a subset of this community.
It's also not as if all the people of dgg who were mad at Train on Hasans behalve left after the great shism. E.g. the two people I cited seem to be still active here and are now anti-Hasan
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So in summary what happened?
In 2019, Train had a bunch of different dramas going on, one was about people critizising him for his react content, the other was his Hasan beef for seperate reasons. Train most likley just combined these two things and now Hasan was the one who criticised react content but in reality it was about his right wing drift, squadW stuff aso.
I looked through a lot of stuff, but like I mentioned I haven't seen everything, so maybe there is some clip out there where Hasan goes super hard against Train for reacting - but I'm inclined to not believe that since in all the drama clips/hasan criticising Train, react content is not brought up once as far as I can tell.
And at the same time, in all the Threads about Train beeing a react andy, Hasan isn't really brought up - At least not as a critic, he is sometimes brought up as an example for a "good reactor" like e.g.:

"I’d say Hasan / Destiny are very good at “reacting “. They watch something, pause It at every 9 seconds, and add something of value." (source)

This could be also one of the factors on why train disliked hasan, Train reacted and got shit, Hasan reacted and some people even praised him for it. But that still proofs more the point that Hasan was pro react-content, and is not Hasan shitting on train. It also didn't happen that much and it was mostly not only just Hasan who was mentioned
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To end this all, here a clip, I found while sifting through old reddit, of Hasan confessing his hatred towards women and calling us straight white dudes gigachads https://livestreamfails.com/post/53982

According to LSF he was banned on march 23rd 2022
Honestly this lead to the youtube arc and eventually now the rumble and kick arc. Attracted more youtube orbiters like sneako, aba, Mr[Redacted], [Redacted] simon and so on.
All in all I think we can look back on the ban as a positive for overall content.
Any thoughts? good? bad? (if you say bad, you're racist because of the black diaspora youtube arc)

I've enjoyed talking with people on reddit about the interviews I've done. Thank you everyone who has supported the show thus far.
As stated in the title, I'll be interviewing Lisa Ireland and Nikolina Lauc. If I ask your question I'll dm you when it goes live. Even if I don't ask your question, I'll let you know and keep your question in a doc for future people in related spaces to potentially answer.
1) Lisa Ireland CEO of Longevity Science Foundation:

"Lisa, an accomplished non-profit executive with more than 25 years of experience in administration, fundraising, donor engagement, strategy and finance, leads global operations for the LSF. Her career spans diverse sectors, including education, healthcare, human services and science. Lisa’s previous roles include Vice President for Institutional Advancement at the RMSC (Rochester Museum & Science Center), where she advanced the organization's mission through strategic planning, leadership and the formation and execution of a comprehensive fundraising strategy. Prior to her time at the RMSC, she served as the Director of Donor Relations and Stewardship at RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology), leading key initiatives to strengthen donor relationships through improved engagement, recognition, and stewardship programs. She was also Executive Director of United Way of Orleans, overseeing all aspects of the organization and its 25 programs."Read more here

2) Nikolina Lauc CEO of GlycanAge

GlycanAge was founded on a promise that “health care” should start with us caring about our health before we encounter a particular problem. Disease starts on a molecular level decades before we are currently addressing it, while the majority of modern disease is preventable and the earliest molecular signal is biological ageing.GlycanAge allows you to measure & influence your longevity by looking at an entirely new part of biology. Glycan biomarkers uniquely encapsulate genetic, epigenetic and environmental factors driving longevity for every human. read more here.

Edit: Lisa Ireland CEO of Longevity Science Foundation canceled at the last minute.

I've enjoyed talking with people on reddit about the interviews I've done. Thank you everyone who has supported the show thus far.
As stated in the title, I'll be interviewing Lisa Ireland and Nikolina Lauc. If I ask your question I'll dm you when it goes live. Even if I don't ask your question, I'll let you know and keep your question in a doc for future people in related spaces to potentially answer.
1) Lisa Ireland CEO of Longevity Science Foundation:

"Lisa, an accomplished non-profit executive with more than 25 years of experience in administration, fundraising, donor engagement, strategy and finance, leads global operations for the LSF. Her career spans diverse sectors, including education, healthcare, human services and science. Lisa’s previous roles include Vice President for Institutional Advancement at the RMSC (Rochester Museum & Science Center), where she advanced the organization's mission through strategic planning, leadership and the formation and execution of a comprehensive fundraising strategy. Prior to her time at the RMSC, she served as the Director of Donor Relations and Stewardship at RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology), leading key initiatives to strengthen donor relationships through improved engagement, recognition, and stewardship programs. She was also Executive Director of United Way of Orleans, overseeing all aspects of the organization and its 25 programs."Read more here

2) Nikolina Lauc CEO of GlycanAge

GlycanAge was founded on a promise that “health care” should start with us caring about our health before we encounter a particular problem. Disease starts on a molecular level decades before we are currently addressing it, while the majority of modern disease is preventable and the earliest molecular signal is biological ageing.
GlycanAge allows you to measure & influence your longevity by looking at an entirely new part of biology. Glycan biomarkers uniquely encapsulate genetic, epigenetic and environmental factors driving longevity for every human. read more here.

Edit: Lisa Ireland CEO of Longevity Science Foundation canceled at the last minute.

An introduction to an incredibly unique journey conducted by Destiny:
An effort post that's very long and a [Throwback], with a lot of edits to clean it up.
Highlight video of the StarCraft 2 achievement hunt.
Full Playlist of the event. Parts 3 to 5 of Wings of Liberty are missing :( Thanks to SomeChannelName/FrostDev for uploading the StarCraft 2 achievement hunt archive.
Alternative playlist of the event, with a little bit more of Wings of Liberty and a 30 minute post-achievement reflection. (Disclaimer: I made this playlist).
Link to the spreadsheet made during the event. NOW THAT'S A THROWBACK. Thanks to BaloSaar for updating it back in the day and for keeping it up. You may also notice that there is a gnome at the top and bottom of the spreadsheet, a showcase of the early 2018 roots of the meme within the DGG community. The list of competitors, in order of 100% completion, are Destiny, Winter, Neuro, Catz, Nathanias, UpATreeZelda, MsSpyte, and Incontrol.
TL;DR: The 2018 StarCraft 2 achievement hunt streams would be caught in the midst of Destiny's slow departure from a few elements of his initial style of streaming, where he was known as "Nebraska Steve". He would transition from his Let's Plays into his current talk show/just chatting streams. Also, he might still be the #1 Brutal difficulty, 100% StarCraft 2 trilogy achievement speedrunner. Ultimately, the hunt is amongst the most unique streams Steven has ever done, and one of the most unique streams outright done in the history of the medium. A high-octane marathon that few could match. An estimated 40 hours of sleepless streaming while attaining difficult challenges. No dreams, only memes.
If you enjoy modern day Destiny, you will enjoy 2018 Destiny as much, or even more than his current style. I consider 2018 Destiny to not only be the current blueprint for the modern style of his streams, but the peak of the modern style and I strongly encourage any new and modern-day viewers to visit that era. The 2015-2018 streams are so high quality relative to the streaming landscape then and now, that this era is worth visiting to be familiar with what a great stream looks like and where the modern style is derived from. If you would like to know where to start with the old streams, just ask me and I'll try my best or take a look at a giant (formerly small) list of DGG archives I made. (Disclaimer: I made this list)
To address why I am reposting & updating this from the fourth anniversary post (no one asked):

1. Fifth anniversary sounds better than fourth anniversary. I (probably) won't post this for the sixth anniversary lul
   
2. I've learned more about the current and past streaming landscape since I first wrote this.
   
3. Destiny's past has gone largely unnoticed, especially by new viewers. What I mean by that is this: 2015-2018 Destiny was one of the highest quality streamers in the world. I believe the SC2 achievement hunt is one landmark reason why. Modern viewers should look at Destiny's old stuff, not only for the history of the stream and contextual background for a lot of modern memes, but for understanding what a high-quality, unique stream looks like. I have made a list of DGG archive channels to view the old memes.
   

Also, I promise this isn't a schizo post. I just really like the art of streaming, especially for Destiny's content, and I want to share that enthusiasm. I like judging & reviewing streams for fun ok, similar to how YourMovieSucks reviews films or your usual video essay writer reviewing some obscure game.
Side note: I use variety streamer and Let's Player somewhat interchangeably. YouTube clips are not used, with good or bad effect.
One last thing - it's unfortunate that old stream memes on the main channel, like the Destiny I tournament and old playthroughs, like Dark souls III and DOOM (2016), have been unlisted. If possible, it would be cool to see them unlisted on a public playlist or uploaded on a spare channel of some sort, thank you.
[Serious discussion] & a Wall of text below
The legend of the hunt and the history surrounding it:
Today is March 12th, the anniversary of the StarCraft 2 achievement hunt, a marathon which ended on March 15th. Five years have passed since then. Time flies, life changes. This hunt is truly one of the most unique streams Destiny has ever done. In the widespread streaming landscape, the hunt may be comparable to major, innovative streams like Jerma's Dollhouse, green screen, or Baseball game.
This StarCraft 2 (SC2) achievement hunt is the epitome of how hardcore Destiny can be as a gamer. This hunt alone might make Destiny the #1 Brutal difficulty, 100% SC2 trilogy achievement speedrunner, even to this day. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong on anything here as I don't follow the stream much nowadays and I might not have the most thorough knowledge of DGG history.
Destiny stayed up for multiple nights to win $10,000, ending with a lead slightly over 12 hours ahead of the similarly hardcore competition. This feat of endurance mixed with perseverance, which is certainly unhealthy, is one that he hasn't matched after. In the aftermath, Steven would donate $500 to Neuro and Winter, respectively. He also lost five pounds of the course of the hunt as he did not eat very much. One of the strategies for perseverance was also mentioned whilst playing the hunt - doing each mission on Brutal on the way through, no returns to past missions. On top of all this, this is a very comfy, yet brief, Terraria stream.
I consider the SC2 achievement hunt to be among his best and most significant streams, not just for the aforementioned endeavors, but because it is within the epicenter of a stylistic change in streaming. One might say it was influential and predictive in hindsight. I say all of this even though Destiny does not convey a plethora of substantial commentary throughout the hunt, although you might get abrupt remarks as a replacement. It is for that reason, with a note that may seem contradictory, that I don't really recommend a typical viewer to watch the entire series. At its fusion core, this is just SC2 gameplay with commentary that slowly tapers off, for an understandable reason, of course. I recommend watching this if you enjoy long form variety streams/SC2 without any immediate commentary, and if your musical taste allows for an external, repeating playlist in the background.
As it would turn out, the SC2 achievement streams gave a glimpse into Destiny's modern style of streaming. I would almost argue that the entity known as "Nebraska Steve" shortly departed after this event. That would be an exaggeration, but perhaps not from the point of view of a stream purist, so to speak.
There is a long streak of 2017 and 2018 streams which preview the current style of streaming from late 2018 to today. Starting with Nier: Automata, all the way to the start of the Hollow Knight streams. This range of streams is wide, although, as many know now, they're usually broken up by stretches of League streams. To give an idea of the time span for this range of streams, he started his Nier playthrough on December 18th, 2017 and finished it on February 4th, 2018. Hollow Knight was played and finished late September 2018.
Additionally, Destiny would start to IRL stream much more during this period as well. The Seattle streams were the first major IRL arc where IRL was the focus of an event over multiple days, if I recall correctly. By extension, he would go on to do the Idaho trip with one of his Discord mods, Khare, (with a Total Biscuit shoutout RIP), E3, and Nevada trip with Devin. Then make the choice to move to Los Angeles for IRL opportunities and so on. On top of this, the first dedicated YouTube and Hasan streams would occur. The 2018 YouTube streams are one of the major blueprints for Destiny’s modern style of streaming. The 2018 YouTube arc put the current style as the main focus for the future of DGG content and into full speed.
Apparently, this sort of IRL content, especially of the restaurant kind, was not planned back in 2016. Moreover, Destiny is one of the earliest IRL, cooking (if anyone remembers the hash brown (and egg?) stream), music, painting, and Just Chatting (alongside politics) broadcasters. Not to mention the other innovations Destiny has introduced into the broadcasting scene, including his website and text-to-speech notifications. Furthermore, he's not just influential in breaking the bounds of how we think about streaming, but in promoting the quality of the live broadcast.
Not to mention, Destiny's political ventures started to shine more around this point of time. The December 31st, 2017 5v1 debate was an immense event and way to end the year, the one day where Destiny definitively dominated LivestreamFail.
Following that event, notable memer Micspam took up a conversation with Destiny advising him to stay away from debates with online personalities who don't care for serious debate and focus on more serious analysis. Around the same stream session, Destiny mentioned he would take a break from debates and was exhausted after going all out on the 5v1. Following this was a brief comment on taking a vacation, perhaps an indication of the upcoming IRL streams that year.
Similarly, there has been at least one notable, recent post and comment asking Destiny to revisit politics. Assuming Destiny really is taking a step back from politics and focusing on drama nowadays, I can't help but feel that history is rhyming with itself here, maybe just a little bit, you tell me. (By the way, this isn't exactly why I am a micspam fan.)
Going back to Nier, this playthrough demonstrates the type of Let's Play that Destiny was known for. It's very typical, however it has Destiny's token tenacity represented, as he plays the entire game on the hardest difficulty. There are periods where Destiny goes on long back and forth discussions with his chatroom. Generally, there are few outside interruptions. There are calls with BadBunny during the first sessions of the game, but they aren't completely interjecting the main event nor are they entirely sudden. Nier is still the focus and BadBunny was collaborating with Destiny in a way.
Hollow Knight is similar, but with a twist. The Hollow Knight vods exist but are fragmented. The main channel only has highlights, but are indicative of the trend the stream would take. This Let's Play would have markedly a different atmosphere than the Nier playthrough. Hollow Knight would show Destiny taking Discord calls and debates while playing (LOUD VOLUME WARNING). Here's a call about debate prep. A debate about Sam Harris. Another Sam Harris debate. This is likely the first time he's done these non-viewer conversations on a regular basis while doing a Story-based, single-player Let's Play.
Furthermore, Destiny initially started They Are Billions as a playthrough with only himself and the chatroom. In fact, this game was teased to be played during the SC2 achievement hunt. Soon after, Devin Nash, known for various antics, would commence what was a six hour call. Although I've demonstrated a sort of animosity towards call-ins, I feel this one is truly unique for a couple of reasons. Obviously, it is six hours long, this has to be one of his longest conversations in the history of the stream, up there with the XJ9 journey. Secondly, it very likely led to Devin rooming with Destiny for a short time in Nebraska, which is one of the few instances where an outside personality collaborates with him in this way. The takeaway is that this is a definite call-in that was caught in the middle of a variety gaming stream. I also consider the Devin Nebraska streams to be creative and unconventional across the broadcasting scene as a whole.
The trend of calls during Let's Plays, especially during Hollow Knight, arguably started gaining traction during the SC2 hunt. From what I could find, Destiny took at least 1 call from YourPrincess (whom I learned this sub now dislikes), very much akin to his call on the last episode of his Nier playthrough. Those calls by YourPrincess might have snowballed into open calls and then further to the modern environment of Destiny's stream. Admittedly, this is likely a massive oversimplification as other events have had minor sudden call-ins or brief periods of react content, but I can't recall online personalities going in and out of calls with Destiny during the Nier Let's Play or in earlier story-based, single-player playthroughs of Final Fantasy XV and The Last of Us. So I predict that it's around early 2018, around this arc, that ignited open calls and other external media during Let's Plays. If it wasn't the SC2 achievement hunt, then it might have been They Are Billions or Nier, another variety stream I've yet to recall, or the gradual diffusion of call-ins from games like League of Legends and Factorio to variety gaming. As always, correct me if I'm wrong. Additionally, you've now seen the basic origins for modern, background stream games like Factorio and They Are Billions linked. Although, that's not the actual first Factorio stream.
There are small exceptions to Steven's old style of content that come to mind: his XCOM 2, Dark Souls III, and DOOM (2016) playthroughs, for example. Although the discussions from those Let's Plays were improvised with stream viewers, which meant that this was a more in-depth way of engaging his community as opposed to outside guests, and did not show a trend of sudden (open) calls or dominant talk shows within the next streak of Steve's 2016-2017 Let's Plays. This resulted in an uncommon style of variety gaming that I haven't seen put into action since. Variety gaming streamers of many sorts will never do this. An impressive innovation in communicating with a community that has gone under the radar, unnoticed beyond the DGG faction, and a natural evolution of Steven's streaming style.
From Hollow Knight and on, Destiny would have outside calls, videos, or talk shows occasionally cross over while doing a story-based, single-player Let's Play. Not to mention, these have been consistently found on stream as his main style of content for a few years now. Subnautica is an early example of this, including the sports debate if anyone remembers this one, as the VOD does not seem to exist. Frostpunk is a possible example as it was the background game where MrMouton summoned Destiny for a rap battle. Cyberpunk 2077, Sekiro, and the recent DOOM Eternal DLC are recent examples that come to mind.
NOTE: the vault has made its videos private to keep the channel up, so some of these VODs are unavailable - I will leave the links here anyway.
His Let's Plays would also become increasingly more uncommon. I like to think that the SC2 hunt was so intense that it burned him out on doing the usual type of Let's Play regularly since then. Similar to stepping away from debates after the December 31st, 2017 5v1.
Side note: one interesting thing about the SC2 hunt is that it's hard to classify it. Is it primarily a story-based, single-player Let's Play like Witcher 3? Or more like a playthrough of a management or simulation game like Factorio? A multiplayer session of SC2 without direct competition? A tournament? Speedrun? Maybe it's all of them? Destiny has taken calls while playing multiplayer SC2 before, but I think it's fair to say that external call-ins, especially by guests who are not involved with the game, are rare in all of these single-player genres of playthroughs throughout the space of gaming content.
Additionally, the SC2 hunt has external music in the background, which is similar to Steven's streams with ARPGs like Path of Exile, MOBAs, and perhaps MMOs like OSRS. Even stream games that other variety gamers play, like Rimworld, which are usually silent or accompanied by the original soundtrack if you view other variety gamers like Vinny of Vinesauce, VargskelethoJoel of Vinesauce, or Northernlion, have had music requests on Destiny's side. Overall, an atmosphere like the SC2 hunt can allow for tunes in the background, even if I'm not a big fan of them. For certain games, there's definitely an ambiguous rule of thumb whether or not external music is allowed while it's played.
Highlights/mildly entertaining comments from the SC2 hunt:
Doesn't have every possible highlight, but this section has some stuff that caught my interest.
Reddit:
A thread predicting the tournament standings
A thread declaring Destiny the victor
WOL:
Destiny hums that one sax song, Confessions part 3, at one point. I wrote about the meaning of this song being on stream for some reason, wow
Comments on YouTube growth and HDStarCraft
Comments on marriage (sequel to Nier)
Comments on streaming platforms (including YouTube)
Comments on Core audience
fast vehicle not important but an interesting observation idk
what this stream means to a viewer. I really do think streams can help us push forward in some way. Great response by Steven too.
HOTS:
Donator goes crazy
Comments on his initial thoughts going into the hunt
Responding to an affectionate donator
Stealing speedrun strats
On avoiding sleep
LOTV:
A spur of intense competition followed by DANKMEMES
Top 3 control
quick meme
YEE boi
nice meme
The void ray
like watching league of legends
chefs kiss
Epilogue:
vacation comments return
an oddly honest answer
Nathan sends a donation
an old meme
a name chanting ritual with destiny watching himself for some reason
Hallucinations on par with Huk's void rays
A speedrunning crossover
The throwback
a dual BM response to Raynor
the early roots of THE meme
a big dono before the last run
a brief return to reality
available for the eu region
The aftermath:
dream's end
a look back
a very familiar shoutout
reaction test
and the rest is the outro, with interesting bits. It would be redundant to link them.
oh, and there were a ton of donations throughout the hunt asking him to play League :)
Why all of this matters:
This all brings me to say that Destiny, when the conditions are right, is up there with the finest variety streamers on the internet. This is in consideration of his stream production, gameplay, and community engagement. This is also in observation of Steven's colossal, genre-defining, and foundational innovations throughout the 2010s compared to his advancements in the last few years. In my opinion, all of these factors have changed over time, from the 2015 streams to now. And yes, this is even considering his Wolfenstein II and Undertale playthrough. The SC2 achievement hunt, after all, was near the eye of the storm when these aspects of the stream underwent a slow transformation.
I find that it's hard to get those conditions to be right nowadays. As calls with extra personalities, or external media can take away from reflecting on the events on stream/game being played, prevents extensive engagement with chat, and can end up with too much extra fluff to pay attention to, which becomes quite intrusive. Not just for Let's Plays, but in general. Aris/AvoidingThePuddle explains this very well here. Northernlion also has a lengthier commentary on this sort of thing and a comedic take on certain stream games. 2016 Destiny briefly touches on having groups on stream, as well. However, I would be receptive to the argument that a community teamspeak is different from the talk show and react format that is usually seen in recent times.
That's not to say that groups/duos can't work. I do think duos/groups like Slowbeef and Diabetus of Retsupurae; Woolie and Reggie; the Super Best Friends being Matt, Pat, and Woolie; Northernlion with his friends, and AdumPlaze (AKA YourMovieSucks/YMS) with his crew can work though. But these duos/groups are usually focused on the game or on making the stream more entertaining, whereas the calls on stream are broad in topic. I would like to highlight that Adum and his friends, including Scoots and LW, can provide some of the most interesting commentary, through a black comedy lens, out there.
With that said, the Halo co-op Let's Plays with MrMouton are pretty good and many past streams with Kyle are vintage ^{Here's a timestamp with me chatting in another old kyle video, so you know I'm a boomer}. This is written in remembrance of a lot of co-op opportunities that have perished over the years due to neglected bridges, RIP. Side note, it would also be cool to see Destiny revisit 2020 playthroughs with Final Fantasy VII Remake or Doom Eternal on the hardest difficulty.
I'd like to quickly note that although there's a focus on variety streaming within this essay, I also believe that the old style in past chatting videos like this snack review, tips for not getting mad, this promotional clip, or the search for boobie streamers are some of the greatest videos Destiny has ever done with a cheeky sense of comedy that's rare to find for current content. Other brief comments are great too like this one describing Chanman with Reckful nearby or in this BlizzCon video with TaKeTV. Sometimes there were odd adventures with computer problems and learning piano or entire videos dedicated to breakfast foods. The old IRL stuff wasn't that bad too, when it was at PAX East, a bank although this one isn't headlined by Steven, but rather by Erisann, Seattle, or in the Seattle sequel.
Dynamic moments (VOLUME WARNING) like this single kill, double kill, or this quad kill stand out as a mixture of hype and hilarity.
Seriously, this is all on par with some of the best streamers in terms of improvisational commentary. Examples like these are why I personally believe the old style surpasses the modern style for variety and chatting streams. There's another comedic video I'd really like to show off, but it was (very likely) unlisted due to low viewership, if anyone really wants to see it, I'll send a link.
Finally, this is my favorite Destiny video of all time. I earnestly believe this is his greatest video on the entire channel and in the history of his craft. My second favorite of his video catalogue being the snack review.
In recent times, Destiny has put aside his Let's Plays for talk shows, which is expected. Steven did bring talk shows very much into the meta of Twitch, it's a large part of his legacy as he is a top arbiter of the Just Chatting style. Yet, I can't help but feel that the old style of variety streaming was sacrificed for this style of talk show/just chatting streams.
I feel that it's not hyperbole when I say that his departure from the variety streaming realm is akin to the Super Best Friends breaking up or Vinny taking a break from streaming. I genuinely feel that the internet has lost an impeccable Let's Player and an exemplary streamer from the departure of Nebraska Steve. As a result, I struggle to find a reason why I should watch modern Destiny over other exceptional streamers like Northernlion, Jerma, Aris/AvoidingThePuddle, Charborg, or one of Destiny's fellow friends - AdumPlaze. That would not be the case back in 2015-2018.
However, Destiny's contemporary content has been significantly popular, which means that there are many new viewers here who have the possible interest and opportunity to view all the hidden gems beneath Destiny's ancient material. I strongly encourage anyone who has managed to read this to revisit the relics of Destiny's past, and I can even try to provide recommendations to that effect. Destiny's old content remains as one of my largest influences to this day and has made me reflect on various subjects of the essential and inane sort. As an appreciator of the live medium, I still see the StarCraft 2 achievement hunt as a legendary stream across the entirety of the broadcasting scene. With all of that said, I hope those who enjoy him in the present-day enjoy him as much as I did back then.
A bonus meme for the DGG history nerds and a summary of the 2015-2018 DGG stream history and why it was the golden age of the stream:
Disclaimer: I have not regularly watched since mid 2020, but I keep up with the stream on occasion. I'm creating this post as a fan of the stream.
Weird bonus meme I thought of for some reason: There’s a secret myth about DestinyGG, unknown even to its creators. Since 2018, all chat logs for Twitch streams have been deleted. This is not the case for DGG logs. Buried under the years of recorded messages, laid upon DGG, lies one of the most inspirational poems ever written. Naturally crafted by successive, arbitrary lines of text from distinct users. The question is... is anyone willing to find it?
Summary:
TL;DR: 2015-2018 is great because 2015-2016 has streaming styles of high quality, to the point of being ahead of their time. 2017 is a massive innovation in streaming by Destiny introducing consistent political discussions. 2018 expanded on 2017 by expanding the settings Destiny can operate in, by setting the tone of streaming from 2019-2022, and has performed this style the most proficiently.
2015-2018 is the greatest period of Destiny's stream. Streams prior to 2014-2015 were pretty normal but, of course, there are memorable highlights, like the Destiny I tournament, from that period. However, there are not many long-form DGG VODs or videos of broad topics before 2015, unless you count a compilation of the individual SC2 games on RememberTomorrow0 as a replacement for a VOD. 2014 especially lacks widespread documentation.
2015: Destiny transitioned into variety gaming and immediately did it near flawlessly. His Witcher 3 playthrough showcases a mastery in streaming and in Let's Plays. On rare occasions, he takes part in political discussions while playing Witcher 3. Whatever happened in 2014 developed Destiny to become one of the best, if not the absolute best, variety streamers on arrival. Day Z, EVE Online, and CSGO might be the key to being a great variety gamer (it's not, but it's interesting to think it is).
2016: Destiny expands his sights on variety gaming mixed with unmatched community engagement and gradually implements political debates during them. Again, a master class in the fundamentals of streaming, while slowly cultivating a new style. This year is not the originator of stream debates, but does show when they would become more consistent.
2017: Destiny fully implements politics, amongst other discussions, into his stream and effectively revolutionizes how we think of gaming streams alongside politics. LSF dominance is present. Dungeons & Dragons also begins. Destiny's involvement in this year is the reason why political streamers today have a career. This is a degree of innovation that is on par with the crazy shenanigans Jerma985 creates. I can't think of anyone having Destiny's 2017 style of discussions + standard streaming before that year.
2017 Bonus - This year arguably has the most iconic composition challenge.
2018: Destiny expands his political ventures and goes into IRL. He does unique events like hanging out with Devin extensively, the SC2 achievement hunt, and the shroom trip. Talk shows and podcasts are done in full force - the beginnings of the Unfiltered podcast would lead to talk shows on PKA, Scuffed, with Luxxbunny and Natsumiii, and with imaqtpie and Scarra. Destiny interacts with his IRL guests, from Girlwithyellowspoon to Bad Bunny, with impeccable comedy or outright interesting interactions. YouTube streams define his content from this point on. His memes reach critical mass through hog squeezing and the gnome terror. Destiny briefly and unexpectedly reaches 8k viewers. I am not the most appreciative of Destiny 2018 style, but it's undeniable this year is full of influence and that he was hella smooth during this year.
(I know not everyone likes those aforementioned unique events, but they stand out nonetheless.)
The current style of Steven's stream, from this year to the modern day, originates from here and has stayed the course. A lot of modern conflict goes back to this year or earlier. I would argue that the current style of streaming was done best and exceptionally well back in 2018. The primary downside of every year is the presence of filler such as League of Legends and so on.
If you enjoy Destiny's stream now, you will enjoy his 2018 highlights. I encourage any modern viewer to take a look back at his old, phenomenal material. As always, I hope those who enjoy him now enjoy him as much as I did back then.
Thanks for reading.
memes
RIP Total Biscuit, Incontrol, and Reckful.

im making a place for kick clips since it seems they dont get enough love on LSF
https://www.reddit.com/KickShorts/