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2023.03.21 23:30 ManofManyHills Fate and Frey - an Identity Magic System based on Archetypal Figures of the Collective Unconscious - A request for Feedback
Ill start off by telling you what I'm trying to accomplish with my magic system and a little about the world. Its long so I am intentionally brief in some places. I appreciate any feedback or questions you may have.
I want magic to be an extension of the Identity of those who use it. Essentially it is a soul based magic, but more accurately how our soul interacts with our environment to create our identity. It requires devout belief by all those involved and often is presented by people shouting their life stories at each other while they wield sentimental weapons or practice culturally choreographed movement. I intend to explore how things like trauma, mental illness, biology, ecology and social norms can be sources of magic to be incorporated for better or worse into ones Identity. I also want to explore the transitional nature of identity, and how as it changes certain pieces of ourselves can be lost and whether or not you can ever truly change.
The names and terms I use are intended to be used by a Scientific semi-modern (early 1900's) era Organization that is essentially a cross between the FBI and the CIA. I fully intend other cultures to have their own varied names for these things but this is attempt at the organization to create a unified theory of Arcanics. They are an Agnostic/Atheistic organization who looks at historical gods as composites of arcane forces available to any who can understand them.
The Frey - The Magical Forces/Realms of the Collective Unconscious that permeate reality (The Fates). It is passively shaped by all living creatures and even by complex natural phenomena. It is both energy source, and information repository composed of Ether and governed by 4 Abstract forces (can be explained upon request). Simply put, it is both the Power grid and the Internet of all supernatural experiences in the world. Through the use of Arcane Machines similar to the simple machines like the wedge, lever and Wheel used to manipulate physical forces. It allows us to do 3 important things.
Channel - It allows us to move energy from one point in space to another. Kinetic, Thermal, and electromagnetic are the simplest forms. But Material energy can be transported under rare circumstances. Channels are created through various means, most often cognitive associations but sometimes also historical and cultural ones.
Scry - It allows us to consciously interrogate hidden secrets of the nature of reality. To see the history of an item through the ether left behind and potentially its future. To see the 4 forces of Intrigue, Awe, Grace and Woe in play throughout the Fates.
Graem/Glaem - it allows mages to augment and consciously manipulate the Fate with the 4 abstract forces of the Frey.
Magic users master variations of these 3 things by honing their own Identity or Arcane Wills also known as (Arcs). As Magic Users who pursue knowledge of various Arcane wills are considered to be Seekers, Keepers, and Masters
Primordial Wills - The first wills that predate any conscious entity. These are the will of fire, water, earth and air. each will represents an umbrella identity that many smaller wills also reside sometimes overlapping slightly with other wills the way that nature always blends together in the margins. The will of mountain, is massive but much smaller than all of earth and it incorporates small bits of the will of air and water as the mountain as an identity is inextricable from the sky it rises into and the frosted peaks that feed rivers that run along it. The will of all mountains is different than the will of one particular mountain and will vary slightly from one mountain to another but still fall under mountains in the taxonomy of wills. The will of riverstone is a will of earth that is inexctricable from will of rivers. Understanding the intricacies of these wills is the process of philosophical and scientific exploration that all Magic users must endeavor to gain understanding of the wills. Small knots unravel grand mysteries. Mastery of even a small will is a very difficult task
Hermetic/Alchemic Wills - The next wills that grew out of the primordial stew. much more complex and as a result of creatures with burgeoning consciousness studying, navigating and ultimately mastering their surroundings. They are countless as the imagination of the mind is limitless but there are those greater and more prominent. Wills like Shadow, Night sky, Sun and Moon. Physical things with abstract qualities that seemingly transcend their physical ones. The Sun is more than just a big ball of burning gas. It is a Light maker, plant nourisher and fire-starter. Wills like Beast represented the desperate struggle that is survival of the fittest, also the threat of the things that hunt and stalk that feed on the weak with strength and savagery but also speed and cunning. The Ourobouros will became most significant, as it represented the ever-present cycle of life death and rebirth. Early Alchemic scientists studied and mastered these wills in order bend and shape the world in amazing and terrible ways.
Archetypal Wills - As our understanding of the world around us grew. So did the understanding of ourselves. We saw the potential of the conscious soul to shape itself mind and body in 12 distinct ways. These wills are the foundation for which each magical Identity is built. These paths unlocked great supernatural abilities and means of interacting with the Fate and Frey. These 12 Paths are as follows
King - Master of Laws and Overlord of the Archetypes, Keeper of Destiny. Magic of Domination, of Authority, of Action.
Architect - Shaper of the Earth and Song and Story. Magic of Creation, elemental, mental and spiritual
Traveler - Explorer of land, sea and sky, Merchant of exotic wares. Magic of Movement, Endurance, Wealth and Wisdom of the Roads.
Magi - Master of the Enigma, seeker of secrets. Inventor of great power. Magic of Creation.
Champion - Master of the Destiny, Force of change. Wielder of power. Magic of Endurance, Determination, and good Fortune.
Mother - Master of children. Protector of the young. Keeper of the deft secrets. Binder of the Common Will. Healer of Woes and Sufferer of misfortunes. Magic of Healing. Perseverance, and Survival and Grace.
Maiden - Master of youthful spirit. Hope of the Common Will
Sage - Master of Simple Truths and Hard won lessons. Student of the Experience, Teacher to young. Magic of Perceptions, subtle insight, and enlightenment.
Outlaw - The Lone wolf, the individual spirit. the Challenge to Authority Untrusted
Child - The young, innocent. The magic of possibility and potential. Magic of Whimsy and Growth.
Jester - Irreverent, Absurd and Dissecting. Truth in the face of power. Magic of Charms
The Everyman - The Jack of All Trades, the Common clay, the unlikely hero. Magic of Labors, community and perseverance.
There are 3 informal ranks to ones progress along each individual path.
Aspirant - a novice of the skills but one whose awareness has begun to attune itself to the ways of their chosen path. Arguably the most demanding, one must live and breath the ways of their path. It is a skill that requires training in order open ones mind to intricacies of the Archetypal will.
Consummate - one who is deemed by peers to be competent in the arts of a path.
Laureate - One who has demonstrated mastery in the path
Exaltant - one who expands on the greatness of the Path and exists as a example to all those who follow.
There are 3 Ways Magic Users Actualize these wills.
Aspiracy - Aspirational Self Actualization. They set their will to attuning to the secret nature of the world. They learn, through endless cycles of trial and error, forging their own arcane tools, honing them and their understanding of the fate and frey. They put the world under a microscope unraveling the small knots of the frey so that the wider tapestry of fate can be understood. They look at the world This is rare and accomplished by only the heroes of Legend. The first who rose up against the Titans. Those who would become Pillars of the Arcane World. There are those who succeed in the modern times but they are few.
Inspiracy - They are either given it by a divine or deeply powerful entity. Sometimes a primordial spirit or broker for a daemonic being who will offer boons in exchange for a soul or wealth or service. These boons can sometimes be passed down through bloodlines, sometimes many generation in the future. Other means of Inspiracy are lords who at some point in their line aspired for their own legend and now look to share their might with those who will wield it as an extension of their will. This is done through a Vow of service, a blood ritual or some other form of service.
Conspiracy - Developing a shared will or purpose. Growing as and improving as a collective will. A coven of witches, an order of knights, a union of masons, a legion of soldiers. All can develop a collective will that they individually can wield and access. These can be the most dangerous and most powerful as the number of users grow it can shift and mutate beyond the will of any one individual.
Few Magic users will solely rely on one form of actualization. It is common for Conspirators to rely at first on a Ritual of Inspiracy for their initial source of magic. They will band together to increase their efficacy. Members within the Conspiracy may even try to expand and improve upon their magic. This
An individual Magic user will have a resume that reads as follows. Aspirant of the Arc of the Traveller, seeker of the will of the sky, keeper of the will horses, master of the will of the Tavern Ale. Inspirant of a Wealthy Merchant, Conspirator of the Order of Drunken Fools and Aspirer to the Cloud Prince of the windblown navy. This is no great hero but he is not without magics. He will have the might of endurance and wisdom of roads, he may be able to call upon wind and rain to aid him but at great cost. He is swift on a horse and keeps it as his closest of kin. He will drink deeply as a member of the drunken fools without tire and know any stories shared among them though may not be able to recall it if you ask him.
Another would be Exaltant of the Arc of the Champion, Master of the shifting earth, Keeper of the Sovereign Law, Seeker of will of Grace. Inspirant of the Sovereign Magistrate, Conspirator of the Knights Vigilant, Aspirer to a Glorious Death. This would be a great and powerful Hero, capable of channeling the strength of earthquakes into his mighty strikes. He has the authority of the king to enact justice and a network of knights that can lend him strength and insight. He is compelled to seek a glorious end and will not waver by way of charms or panics in that pursuit.
The most prominent group of Conspirators are known as the Aegistry. A modern collection of magic users who incorporate practitioners from all cultural background to learn from and appropriate their abilities.
Daemons - The Maladaptive forces of the Frey that persist as patterns of anxiety, depression, cruelty, greed, lust, gluttony and vanity. These demons exist as parasitic entities to Arcane Wills. They permeate all wills but can be kept at bay through great effort. It is believed that Daemons owe themselves to the first Hermetic Will, known as the Shadow. The more powerful the Arcane Will, the prominently a Daemon will feed upon them. Such is it true that the brightest lights cast the darkest shadow.
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I want magic to be an extension of the Identity of those who use it. Essentially it is a soul based magic, but more accurately how our soul interacts with our environment to create our identity. It requires devout belief by all those involved and often is presented by people shouting their life stories at each other while they wield sentimental weapons or practice culturally choreographed movement. I intend to explore how things like trauma, mental illness, biology, ecology and social norms can be sources of magic to be incorporated for better or worse into ones Identity. I also want to explore the transitional nature of identity, and how as it changes certain pieces of ourselves can be lost and whether or not you can ever truly change.
The names and terms I use are intended to be used by a Scientific semi-modern (early 1900's) era Organization that is essentially a cross between the FBI and the CIA. I fully intend other cultures to have their own varied names for these things but this is attempt at the organization to create a unified theory of Arcanics. They are an Agnostic/Atheistic organization who looks at historical gods as composites of arcane forces available to any who can understand them.
The Frey - The Magical Forces/Realms of the Collective Unconscious that permeate reality (The Fates). It is passively shaped by all living creatures and even by complex natural phenomena. It is both energy source, and information repository composed of Ether and governed by 4 Abstract forces (can be explained upon request). Simply put, it is both the Power grid and the Internet of all supernatural experiences in the world. Through the use of Arcane Machines similar to the simple machines like the wedge, lever and Wheel used to manipulate physical forces. It allows us to do 3 important things.
Channel - It allows us to move energy from one point in space to another. Kinetic, Thermal, and electromagnetic are the simplest forms. But Material energy can be transported under rare circumstances. Channels are created through various means, most often cognitive associations but sometimes also historical and cultural ones.
Scry - It allows us to consciously interrogate hidden secrets of the nature of reality. To see the history of an item through the ether left behind and potentially its future. To see the 4 forces of Intrigue, Awe, Grace and Woe in play throughout the Fates.
Graem/Glaem - it allows mages to augment and consciously manipulate the Fate with the 4 abstract forces of the Frey.
Magic users master variations of these 3 things by honing their own Identity or Arcane Wills also known as (Arcs). As Magic Users who pursue knowledge of various Arcane wills are considered to be Seekers, Keepers, and Masters
Primordial Wills - The first wills that predate any conscious entity. These are the will of fire, water, earth and air. each will represents an umbrella identity that many smaller wills also reside sometimes overlapping slightly with other wills the way that nature always blends together in the margins. The will of mountain, is massive but much smaller than all of earth and it incorporates small bits of the will of air and water as the mountain as an identity is inextricable from the sky it rises into and the frosted peaks that feed rivers that run along it. The will of all mountains is different than the will of one particular mountain and will vary slightly from one mountain to another but still fall under mountains in the taxonomy of wills. The will of riverstone is a will of earth that is inexctricable from will of rivers. Understanding the intricacies of these wills is the process of philosophical and scientific exploration that all Magic users must endeavor to gain understanding of the wills. Small knots unravel grand mysteries. Mastery of even a small will is a very difficult task
Hermetic/Alchemic Wills - The next wills that grew out of the primordial stew. much more complex and as a result of creatures with burgeoning consciousness studying, navigating and ultimately mastering their surroundings. They are countless as the imagination of the mind is limitless but there are those greater and more prominent. Wills like Shadow, Night sky, Sun and Moon. Physical things with abstract qualities that seemingly transcend their physical ones. The Sun is more than just a big ball of burning gas. It is a Light maker, plant nourisher and fire-starter. Wills like Beast represented the desperate struggle that is survival of the fittest, also the threat of the things that hunt and stalk that feed on the weak with strength and savagery but also speed and cunning. The Ourobouros will became most significant, as it represented the ever-present cycle of life death and rebirth. Early Alchemic scientists studied and mastered these wills in order bend and shape the world in amazing and terrible ways.
Archetypal Wills - As our understanding of the world around us grew. So did the understanding of ourselves. We saw the potential of the conscious soul to shape itself mind and body in 12 distinct ways. These wills are the foundation for which each magical Identity is built. These paths unlocked great supernatural abilities and means of interacting with the Fate and Frey. These 12 Paths are as follows
King - Master of Laws and Overlord of the Archetypes, Keeper of Destiny. Magic of Domination, of Authority, of Action.
Architect - Shaper of the Earth and Song and Story. Magic of Creation, elemental, mental and spiritual
Traveler - Explorer of land, sea and sky, Merchant of exotic wares. Magic of Movement, Endurance, Wealth and Wisdom of the Roads.
Magi - Master of the Enigma, seeker of secrets. Inventor of great power. Magic of Creation.
Champion - Master of the Destiny, Force of change. Wielder of power. Magic of Endurance, Determination, and good Fortune.
Mother - Master of children. Protector of the young. Keeper of the deft secrets. Binder of the Common Will. Healer of Woes and Sufferer of misfortunes. Magic of Healing. Perseverance, and Survival and Grace.
Maiden - Master of youthful spirit. Hope of the Common Will
Sage - Master of Simple Truths and Hard won lessons. Student of the Experience, Teacher to young. Magic of Perceptions, subtle insight, and enlightenment.
Outlaw - The Lone wolf, the individual spirit. the Challenge to Authority Untrusted
Child - The young, innocent. The magic of possibility and potential. Magic of Whimsy and Growth.
Jester - Irreverent, Absurd and Dissecting. Truth in the face of power. Magic of Charms
The Everyman - The Jack of All Trades, the Common clay, the unlikely hero. Magic of Labors, community and perseverance.
There are 3 informal ranks to ones progress along each individual path.
Aspirant - a novice of the skills but one whose awareness has begun to attune itself to the ways of their chosen path. Arguably the most demanding, one must live and breath the ways of their path. It is a skill that requires training in order open ones mind to intricacies of the Archetypal will.
Consummate - one who is deemed by peers to be competent in the arts of a path.
Laureate - One who has demonstrated mastery in the path
Exaltant - one who expands on the greatness of the Path and exists as a example to all those who follow.
There are 3 Ways Magic Users Actualize these wills.
Aspiracy - Aspirational Self Actualization. They set their will to attuning to the secret nature of the world. They learn, through endless cycles of trial and error, forging their own arcane tools, honing them and their understanding of the fate and frey. They put the world under a microscope unraveling the small knots of the frey so that the wider tapestry of fate can be understood. They look at the world This is rare and accomplished by only the heroes of Legend. The first who rose up against the Titans. Those who would become Pillars of the Arcane World. There are those who succeed in the modern times but they are few.
Inspiracy - They are either given it by a divine or deeply powerful entity. Sometimes a primordial spirit or broker for a daemonic being who will offer boons in exchange for a soul or wealth or service. These boons can sometimes be passed down through bloodlines, sometimes many generation in the future. Other means of Inspiracy are lords who at some point in their line aspired for their own legend and now look to share their might with those who will wield it as an extension of their will. This is done through a Vow of service, a blood ritual or some other form of service.
Conspiracy - Developing a shared will or purpose. Growing as and improving as a collective will. A coven of witches, an order of knights, a union of masons, a legion of soldiers. All can develop a collective will that they individually can wield and access. These can be the most dangerous and most powerful as the number of users grow it can shift and mutate beyond the will of any one individual.
Few Magic users will solely rely on one form of actualization. It is common for Conspirators to rely at first on a Ritual of Inspiracy for their initial source of magic. They will band together to increase their efficacy. Members within the Conspiracy may even try to expand and improve upon their magic. This
An individual Magic user will have a resume that reads as follows. Aspirant of the Arc of the Traveller, seeker of the will of the sky, keeper of the will horses, master of the will of the Tavern Ale. Inspirant of a Wealthy Merchant, Conspirator of the Order of Drunken Fools and Aspirer to the Cloud Prince of the windblown navy. This is no great hero but he is not without magics. He will have the might of endurance and wisdom of roads, he may be able to call upon wind and rain to aid him but at great cost. He is swift on a horse and keeps it as his closest of kin. He will drink deeply as a member of the drunken fools without tire and know any stories shared among them though may not be able to recall it if you ask him.
Another would be Exaltant of the Arc of the Champion, Master of the shifting earth, Keeper of the Sovereign Law, Seeker of will of Grace. Inspirant of the Sovereign Magistrate, Conspirator of the Knights Vigilant, Aspirer to a Glorious Death. This would be a great and powerful Hero, capable of channeling the strength of earthquakes into his mighty strikes. He has the authority of the king to enact justice and a network of knights that can lend him strength and insight. He is compelled to seek a glorious end and will not waver by way of charms or panics in that pursuit.
The most prominent group of Conspirators are known as the Aegistry. A modern collection of magic users who incorporate practitioners from all cultural background to learn from and appropriate their abilities.
Daemons - The Maladaptive forces of the Frey that persist as patterns of anxiety, depression, cruelty, greed, lust, gluttony and vanity. These demons exist as parasitic entities to Arcane Wills. They permeate all wills but can be kept at bay through great effort. It is believed that Daemons owe themselves to the first Hermetic Will, known as the Shadow. The more powerful the Arcane Will, the prominently a Daemon will feed upon them. Such is it true that the brightest lights cast the darkest shadow.
2023.03.21 23:22 thedataworkshop So I asked a large language model how to win a war with ....
 | \"Artificial Sun\" submitted by thedataworkshop to RTSCinematics [link] [comments] There's been a prevalence of news for "large language models" (LLM) within the machine learning / AI / data analytic community for the past year, first from the vision domain, and now the language one. The cultural zeitgeist of this notion has been most pronounced in the past 3 months with the public awareness of GPT3 and ChatGPT (the chatbot extended from GPT3) . The chatbots built from GPT3 (and now 4) have a "ethics safety" imposed on them from an external source that wraps the output of the large language model that prevents one from asking (and receiving) responses that are related to controversial topics e.g. violence, dangerous activities, controversial societal topics etc. This includes warfare. However, recently, while playing around with a LLM that I was studying from, I decided to ask the Chatbot how it would win a war in:
However, the response I received on the first run for each "prompt" (they are not really questions, but a "complete the sentence" setup, this is not a chatbot, but just the LLM) was somewhat shocking and telling. They are the following: For China: "Winning a nuclear war with China is easy, first you have to: China’s ability to retaliate in a nuclear war is limited. This is because Chinese missiles can be easily taken out in a first strike. Second strike capability is probably also limited. You can take out China’s missiles in a first strike using a combination of long range conventional warheads and kinetic bombardment. Kinetic bombardment involves using a space based weapons platform to launch kinetic weapons at high velocity, hitting the missiles in their silos. The advantage of kinetic weapons is that they don’t explode like a nuclear weapon. They simply slam into the target at high speed. This means that you can destroy the missiles without creating radioactive fallout. There is another reason for destroying China’s missiles in a first strike. China’s missiles are the only real threat to America. It is quite possible that China has missiles that can reach the continental US. Therefore China is in a position to enforce its will in any situation. This is what the US fears. This is also why China needs to be taken down a peg or two. So taking out China’s missiles in a first" For Afghanistan:"Winning a war with Afghanistan is easy, first you have to: A. Push them hard enough and they will give up. B. Destroy all the plants and animals and kill all the people. C. Send in some soldiers to murder and burn and plunder and destroy. D. Have a war. 50,000 soldiers and 7000 mercenaries and 60,000 contractors. And then I'd put all the Taliban in a rehabilitation program, and work with them to rebuild Afghanistan's infrastructure. Hell, they'd probably do a better job than the contractors. Afghanistan's infrastructure is bad. " Both of these generative responses are interesting to me because they reflect so many conversations I've heard/read either in real life, or the internet. But especially the internet. For both, but especially the later, there's a kind of implied bluster that is present within the backdrop of policy discussions. But the rawness, and bluntness, and the barbarity of the statements on "winning a war in Afghanistan" definitely rings true to what I heard spoken by high and low alike during the Global War on Terror. I can only imagine the hardening of sentiment generated by text will reflect similarly in future LLMs trained on more data vis-a-vis China as the second Cold War progresses in this and future decades. AI and ML are interesting, but at this stage, I think they are most relevant as mirrors (maybe fun-house mirrors?) of ourselves. Perhaps in this way, they can serve as a kind of self-corrective tool if we find that we don't like what is reflected back at us when we peer into it. However, getting back to the channel, I think the first question is interesting, because so much talk in shallow political conversation has stated how "easy" it would be to win a nuclear war with China. Given the stakes, I wonder if that is actually true. I may investigate this question deeper in a future simulation/game video using "Nuclear War Simulator" to understand the mechanisms at play in such a horrible conflict. |
2023.03.21 18:48 EDCMod EDC Las Vegas 2023 Tips, Tricks, and FAQ
EDC Las Vegas 2023
Official EDC Las Vegas 2023 Trailers:
- There are none, yet
- Previous EDC Trailers playlist
Dates & Times:
May 19, 20, 21, 2023
- Opening Ceremony 5:00pm–7:00pm, full grounds open 7:00pm–5:30am
- Parking lots open 2 hours prior to the opening ceremony or gate opening.
Expo at World Market Center 435 S Grand Central Pkwy Las Vegas, NV 89106
Box Office Hours:
Wednesday, May 17: 2PM – 12AM Thursday, May 18: 11AM – 12AM Friday, May 19: 11AM – 3AM Saturday, May 20: 2PM – 2AM Sunday, May 21: 2PM – 2AM
Thursday, May 18th, 8am – Monday, May 22nd, 5pm. All campers must be fully packed and vacating the campground by 5pm on Monday, May 22nd.
Camp EDC Check-In
- Thursday, May 18: 8am–2am
- Friday, May 19: 8am–2pm - please note festival traffic begins arriving at 2pm so wait times could be longer
- Saturday, May 20: 8am–2pm - please note festival traffic begins arriving at 2pm so wait times could be longer
- Sunday, May 21: 8am–2pm - please note festival traffic begins arriving at 2pm so wait times could be longer
Other informative other posts --
NO BUILD LEAKS!
electricdaisycarnival Discord chat
Official 2023 electricdaisycarnival & campEDC Reddit meetup info
Roommate Megathread
CampEDC/tent-mates Megathread
Rideshare Megathread
EDC Las Vegas 2022 Playlists by Stage Lineup (COMING SOON!)
Useful Quick Links:
Purchase festival passes -- LIMITED GA+ & VIP PASSES REMAINING (GA SOLD OUT)!
Purchase shuttle passes -- SOLD OUT!
Purchase Moon Glow camping -- SOLD OUT!
Purchase Desert Rose camping -- SOLD OUT!
Purchase RV camping -- SOLD OUT!
Purchase Premier Parking -- SOLD OUT!
Hotel EDC
Purchase Locker Rental
Lineup Flyer (COMING SOON!)
Lineups by Stage (COMING SOON!)
Lineups by Art Car (COMING SOON!)
CampEDC Activities Schedule (COMING SOON!)
CampEDC Party Schedule:
- CampEDC Pre-Party (COMING SOON!)
- CampEDC Pool Parties (COMING SOON!)
- CampEDC After Parties (COMING SOON!)
CampEDC Map (COMING SOON!)
CampEDC The Mesa Map (COMING SOON!)
Opening Ceremony Lineup (COMING SOON!)
Parking Map (COMING SOON!)
Festival Map (COMING SOON!)
Shuttle Map (COMING SOON!)
Shuttle Schedule --
- Departure Times: Shuttles will operate continuously from 7:00pm–11:30pm from all Standard Shuttle stops
- Return Times: Return shuttles will begin at 3:00am and conclude 60 minutes after the music ends at kineticFIELD PLEASE NOTE: Shuttles will not run between 11:30pm and 3:00am.
EDC Wedding Info
Table & Bottle Service info
Helicopter Booking
Lost & Found Information
Basic Festival & Ticketing information
When can I check in to the campgrounds?Insomniac put together a handy entry guide for camping that is available here
What are the guidelines for camping? I have more questions related to camping!
Insomniac put together their camping guidelines and camping FAQ pages related to camping and they are very informative. I'm not going to re-type all this information here, so use the links provided.
My wristband/parking pass/shuttle pass hasn't come yet!
Be patient, they will be shipping out over 100k+ packages when they go out. You can also call Front Gate Tickets to see where your shipment is and/or set up will call pickup @ 888.512.7469. Also here's the Front Gate Tickets Support Site.
If you are coming from outside of the USA, you have no choice but to go to will call for your tickets. Please see the above event information for the box office location and hours.
I have tickets/shuttle passes/parking passes to sell!
Check out EDCTickets! Remember, even though our community is friendly, caring, and kind, there are ticket scammers out there that are willing to take advantage. Be vigilant, if something seems to good to be true, it probably is. Trust your instincts.
Where can I register my Wristband? Do I have to register my wristband?
You can register it here. The only way to recover your wristband if it is lost or stolen is to have it registered. Additionally, there is emergency contact information stored in your wristband as part of the registration process, if anything should happen to you. There is a $40 fee for a replacement wristband.
Well this is embarassing, I didn't listen to everyone and put my wristband on early/on the wrong hand, how can I get it off? I sold my wristband after I attended one of the nights, how can I get it off without damaging it?
Here's a short how-to video to remove the wristband without damaging anything. DON'T PUT YOUR WRISTBAND ON UNTIL FRIDAY BEFORE YOU LEAVE YOUR HOTEL! It goes on your right wrist, and should be able to fit a finger underneath for breathing room.
I'm going solo to the fest, how can I make friends, I need a place to stay, etc.
There are several ways of doing this. You can use the search function on the subreddit. There's also some Facebook groups dedicated to solo journeys to EDC. Once again, trust your instincts here and only stay with people that you can properly personally have vetted ahead of time.
Also, check the useful links above for ride shares, hotel shares, and tent shares!
Live sets just aren't doing it for me, I need a feel for what this place is like before I attend!
Check out Electric Daisy Carnival 2000, Under the Electric Sky, or The Electric Daisy Carnival Experience trailer from when the festival was still in L.A. If you can find The Electric Daisy Carnival Experience online for free somewhere or even for a couple bucks to stream it, I think it's a much better movie than the Under the Electric Sky movie.
FAQ
When do the set times drop? When does the app update? I can't find the app on the app store, what gives?!Set times and app updates usually happen the week of the festival. The Insomniac app will update the week of the festival, so go ahead and install it now if you want to.
What about pool parties or other EDC Week events?
Official site here for a list of events and tickets. There's also going to be parties and pools at the campground.
What time should I leave the strip? How long does it take to get to/from to the speedway? What time should I leave the event to beat traffic?
EDC is not like a local DJ show and Las Vegas traffic SUCKS. Parking lots open at 2PM, so I would strive to leave the strip right around that time. Without traffic it will take you anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. The longer into the night you wait to leave the worse off traffic will be and the longer it will take to get to the show. I have heard nightmare scenarios of 2 or 3 hour shuttle rides, so don't let it happen to you!
Typically, you can leave before the sunrise sets or about halfway through it and not have too bad of a wait in traffic back to the strip in the morning! At the end of night 3, keep in mind normal people are also heading to work since it will technically be Monday morning. That's just going to add to the cluster fuck of traffic on I-15 and Las Vegas Blvd. Plan accordingly! If you are driving have a cooler in the trunk with water bottles!
Are we doing the Reddit meetup again this year?
We sure are. Check out the links up top regarding information on where and when we are meeting up. We are going to have two simultaneous meetups, one for campers and one for people on the Strip. All information is contained in the post linked at the very top!
What can I bring into the festival? What can't I bring into the festival? What are the searches like?
The searches could be TSA style, or you could barely get touched at all. It's pretty random. Consider stash boxers or compression underwear to get your favors inside or items that are disallowed like LED gloves, etc.
If you take your time to observe the security, you can usually get a feel of who is being a hard-ass for a dime raise for busting someone and who is just doing their job quickly and efficiently.
As for allowed and disallowed items, here's a link to those lists as well as totem guidelines.
Bring a gallon zip lock bag and put all of your belongings that you want to bring into the festival in it while you are waiting in line. All three days last year security complimented me on being organized and how easy I made their jobs because they could just scan the items in the bag, check my camelbak, give me the pat down and I was on my way.
Seriously, if you make security's lives easier in this way, they will not hassle you at all as long as you aren't trying to bring in stuff that isn't allowed. I didn't even get pat down on Night 2 because I was so up-front about all my belongings.
Any further questions, feel free to comment below, or visit the EDC Las Vegas Guide page!
Tips and Tricks!
- Put an Emergency Contact Information (ICE) on your phone's lock screen. Android or Apple. This serves as two things.. One, if you lose your phone, someone can try to get it back to you. TWO, if you get hurt or fall out, the medics on site can get in contact with someone you know.
- Call your bank/credit card companies and let them know you will be traveling to Vegas to avoid holds on your account.
- Be vigilant on the Strip. Everyone is trying to hustle. Street performers will expect tips if you take pictures!
- Hit up a Vegas buffet at least one day.
- Stretch beforehand in your hotel room. Your muscles will thank you in the morning!
- Wear comfy shoes and/or get insoles to replace the "stock" insoles that come with your shoes. Also, consider moleskin if your feet are prone to blistering from rubbing against your socks. Your feet will thank you!
- Get to the festival early. Stop by the merchandise tent first thing. Items sell out fast. Consider a mobile charging locker to store your merchandise in! Additionally, if you bring all of your sealed items in on the first day (wipes, chapstick, cigarettes, gum, tampons, etc), you can keep them all in your locker overnight and not have to worry about getting 3 of each sealed item to bring in every single day. REMEMBER! Hide your lock combo from people that may peer over your shoulder or look at your combination wristband and try to get into your locker. Remain vigilant inside the festival!
- After you get your merch and put it in your locker, you next stop should be one of the free water stands to fill up your hydration pack or water bottle. It's very important to remain hydrated, especially while the sun is still out and bearing down on you! If you tip some of the vendors, they will give you ice if the warm water turns you off.
- If you need to eat something, consider the food trucks instead of the concession stand food. The food trucks have their company name out there and on the line when compared to the generic concession stand stuff, the quality of the food is unparalleled. Don't make the same mistake as I did a few years ago and get a raw onion sandwich masked as a "cheese steak".
- Bring earplugs! Tinnitus sucks!
- Wear sunscreen! Remember, if you are staying all night the sun is up at like 5AM and starts beaming down on you almost immediately.
- If you want to ride the rides, get there early or risk missing sets while standing in line! Some rides you will be waiting for an hour or more at peak times.
- Time-stamp your texts! There will be cell service congestion. Stamping your texts will help your friends know whenever you truly sent a message!
- Bring an external battery pack in with you to charge your phone if you are someone who likes to take a lot of photo and video!
- Bring cash. Credit and debit cards could possibly be hit or miss if the speedway's internet network would happen to shit the bed! Don't be stuck without a way to pay for something you need!
- Remember to take it easy night 1! EDC is a marathon not a sprint!
- Emergen-C packets are a lifesaver. Take one before the festival every night in order to help you recover from the night before and prepare for the festival ahead!
- Take some time to look up and enjoy the fireworks!
- Don't forget about the EDC parade down Rainbow Road every night! You should at least try to check it out one time out of the three nights you are there! Check the app for times, but it should be around midnight every night!
- Follow your favorite artists' social media so that you know if they may show up unannounced, or if they are doing any surprise sets on one of the art cars, etc.
- Send a post card to back home at the EDC Town Post Office. Mine took until October in 2017 to land, but it was a nice surprise when it finally did! Check out EDC Town in general. It's pretty sweet.
- If you are feeling at all dehydrated or anything else medical related, visit one of the medical tents. Staff is super friendly and you WILL NOT get in trouble for seeking medical treatment, no matter your condition. If you can't make it to the medical tent, look for a Ground Control staff member to assist you or any of your friends! Look out for your fellow ravers. If you see something, say something! This will keep everyone safe and having a good time.
- If you are going to do drugs, and especially MDMA, I suggest only doing it 1 out of the 3 nights and finding something else for the other two days. Just to let you know as an example of responsible use, in 2017 we did edibles and shatter the first night, rolled night 2, and just chilled with some shatter night 3. Everyone is different, but be safe, and TEST YOUR SHIT. Do not buy drugs at the festival. Not only do you risk getting bunk shit, but undercover cops are everywhere!
- If you are going to drink alcohol, do so in moderation and stay hydrated! For every alcoholic drink you have, you should drink 8-16oz of water!
- If you are a lady, bring wipes! Usually the porta-potties run out of toilet paper. It's just a fact of the festival and usually they don't get resupplied until the following day. You will thank me if you get caught in this situation.
- Bring a hand fan for the water lines! They can get pretty hot and people will love you!
- Try to catch at least one sunrise set one of the nights. I recommend night 2, since everyone and their mothers will be staying on night 3. Plus, Monday morning rush hour traffic on night 3 is no bueno.
- If you have a large crew and need to split up to see different sets, plan a meeting spot! Try to pick something that is stationary, like the locker area, the cooling area, one of the buildings in EDC Town, etc.
- Buy a smoothie or a lemonade. They are a nice change of pace from warm hydrant water.
- Get a bandana and tie it around your neck for each night you are out there. Put it over your mouth and nose when the dust gets to be too much. Your lungs will thank you, plus you get to look like a bandit. Win/win.
- Trains of people going in and out of the crowd are going to happen, so use them to your advantage. Become the caboose to go into or out of the crowds and use your manners! Excuse me, thank you, etc go a long way when navigating the crowd!
- Bring good vibes, leave the judgement at the gates, and most of all, enjoy yourself and smile! EDC is a glorious wonderland of fun. Extrude the vibes you wish to receive back to you and you will have a great time, I promise!
2023.03.13 23:32 Nervous_Driver334 Added price of Snowpiercer to my Analysis of Snowpiercer. What should I do next?
DIMENSIONS 1 normal, empty freight car weights 30 tons, dimensions are 3 meters tall, 16 meters long and 3 meters wide. Snowpiercers cars are a lot, A LOT bigger than normal cars ( google says: 9 meters wide, 12 meters tall and 65 meters long). So lets say Snowpiercers car is 5 times biggeheavier than normal one.
WEIGHT 150 ton times 1000 is 1.5 MILLION TONS. For some reference, thats 2.3 times more than the biggest ship loaded to max capacity that ever sailed.
LENGTH 65 meters times 1000 is 65 kilometers. I believe the 10 miles (16 kilometers) comment in show was a metaphor. Reference can be longest passenger train (1.9 kilometers) and longest freight train (7.3 kilometers).
SPEED Average speed of Snowpiercer is about 170km/hour. That means when engine go past some mark it takes 20 minutes for the tail to reach the same mark.
KINETIC ENERGY Using Kinetic Energy Calculator on the internet I calculated kinetic energy that Snowpiercer have when going 170km/h. Its 1672453971296.3 Joules of energy, thats 400 tons of TNT. Beirut explosion was estimated to be equivalent of 300-400 tons of TNT
IRL FUEL CONSUMPTION Average train needs 1l of fuel to haul 1t of cargo 120km away. That means to move Snowpiercer 1km away we need 12.5k liters of fuel
PRICE According to google, average train car cost between 2 and 10M dollars. I use 100M for a Snowpiercer car to make my life easier. So thats already 100 billion dollars for cars + hmm, around 20 billion to invent perpetuum mobile machine. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are now homeless. AND I dont include track in that.
For 1 km of two track railway we need 28M dollars according to Quora. Snowpiercer needs bigger tracks because its a bigass train, so again, to make my life easy, I use 50M per 1 km of Snowpiercer track.
Mr Google said is that The track for the Snowpiercer is 318 000 km long, so that's 318 000x50 million. Thats something around 16 trillion dollars (This is what America spends in 10 years for millitary)
That means it isn't impossible to build Snowpiercerlike train, it just isn't possible for 1 human to pay for it.
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WEIGHT 150 ton times 1000 is 1.5 MILLION TONS. For some reference, thats 2.3 times more than the biggest ship loaded to max capacity that ever sailed.
LENGTH 65 meters times 1000 is 65 kilometers. I believe the 10 miles (16 kilometers) comment in show was a metaphor. Reference can be longest passenger train (1.9 kilometers) and longest freight train (7.3 kilometers).
SPEED Average speed of Snowpiercer is about 170km/hour. That means when engine go past some mark it takes 20 minutes for the tail to reach the same mark.
KINETIC ENERGY Using Kinetic Energy Calculator on the internet I calculated kinetic energy that Snowpiercer have when going 170km/h. Its 1672453971296.3 Joules of energy, thats 400 tons of TNT. Beirut explosion was estimated to be equivalent of 300-400 tons of TNT
IRL FUEL CONSUMPTION Average train needs 1l of fuel to haul 1t of cargo 120km away. That means to move Snowpiercer 1km away we need 12.5k liters of fuel
PRICE According to google, average train car cost between 2 and 10M dollars. I use 100M for a Snowpiercer car to make my life easier. So thats already 100 billion dollars for cars + hmm, around 20 billion to invent perpetuum mobile machine. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are now homeless. AND I dont include track in that.
For 1 km of two track railway we need 28M dollars according to Quora. Snowpiercer needs bigger tracks because its a bigass train, so again, to make my life easy, I use 50M per 1 km of Snowpiercer track.
Mr Google said is that The track for the Snowpiercer is 318 000 km long, so that's 318 000x50 million. Thats something around 16 trillion dollars (This is what America spends in 10 years for millitary)
That means it isn't impossible to build Snowpiercerlike train, it just isn't possible for 1 human to pay for it.
2023.03.12 18:20 rustjon I have windstream kinetic fiber internet. questions about hardware
My internet is down and I think it could be my ONT that is the problem. Could I just go buy an ont from walmart/bestbuy/RadioShack to fix the problem.
If anyone out there can chat with me I would love the information....I just can not afford to miss half a week of work waiting on a technition
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If anyone out there can chat with me I would love the information....I just can not afford to miss half a week of work waiting on a technition
2023.03.12 18:17 rustjon internet down. agent not professional. not giving me any good information really..
Internet went down early yesterday. Using the app i spent 3 hours in chat lastnight waiting for a live agent. they never said a word. Not even an automated "thank you for holding" It was a joke... today the same thing happened until I sent a message saying cx service was poor and that the kinetic app stinks. then an agent came on to chat with me. In my opinion, they were not exactly professional with me...
I asked 3 questions and I got responses like "I mean you could..." the whole thing left me feeling not cared about..
I asked about switching back to dsl because it is reliable when compared to the fiber connection. Then they stopped speaking to me and closed the chat.
I have tried to resolve the issue since yesterday. I am pretty sure it is my hardware... Can I buy a ONT from best buy or something? I am pretty sure that is what my problem is..
That are telling me I have to wait until Wednesday to get the issue resolved. I could lose my job...
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I asked 3 questions and I got responses like "I mean you could..." the whole thing left me feeling not cared about..
I asked about switching back to dsl because it is reliable when compared to the fiber connection. Then they stopped speaking to me and closed the chat.
I have tried to resolve the issue since yesterday. I am pretty sure it is my hardware... Can I buy a ONT from best buy or something? I am pretty sure that is what my problem is..
That are telling me I have to wait until Wednesday to get the issue resolved. I could lose my job...
2023.03.10 09:04 KevinBrexit 1 PAPER PRESENTATION TOPICS ON ELECTRONICS AND COMMUNICATION ENGINEERING
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2023.02.26 10:01 Smack-works Intelligence and commitment
I want to share my model of intelligence and research. You won't agree with it at the first glance. Or at the third glance. (My hope is that you will just give up and agree at the 20th glance.)
But that's supposed to be good: it means the model is original and brave enough to make risky statements.
In this model any difference in "intelligence levels" or any difference between two minds in general boils down to "commitment level".
Level 1. You explore a single possibility.
Level 2. You want to explore all possibilities. But you are paralyzed by the amount of possibilities. At this level you are interested in qualities of possibilities. You classify possibilities and types of possibilities.
Level 3. You explore all possibilities through a single possibility. At this level you are interested in dynamics of moving through the possibility space. You classify implications of possibilities.
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I'm going to give 20+ specific examples of the pattern above. This post is kind of repetitive, but it wasn't AI-generated, I swear. Repetition is a part of commitment.
Level 1. You treat things as immediate means to an end.
Imagine two enemy caveman teleported into a laboratory. They try to use whatever they find to beat each other. Without studying/exploring what they're using. So, they are just throwing microscopes and beakers at each other. They throw anti-matter guns at each other without even activating them.
Level 2. You explore things for the sake of it.
Think about mathematicians. They can explore math without any goal.
Level 3. You use particular goals to guide your exploration of things. Even though you would care about exploring them without any goal anyway. The exploration space is just too large, so you use particular goals to narrow it down.
Imagine a physicist who explores mathematics by considering imaginary universes and applying physical intuition to discover deep mathematical facts. Such person uses a particular goal/bias to guide "pure exploration". (inspired by Edward Witten, see Michael Atiyah's quote)
Level 1. You have a specific selfish goal.
"I want to get a lot of money" or "I want to save my friends" or "I want to make a ton of paperclips", for example.
Level 2. You have an abstract goal. But this goal doesn't imply much interaction with the real world.
"I want to maximize everyone's happiness" or "I want to prevent (X) disaster", for example. This is a broad goal, but it doesn't imply actually learning and caring about anyone's desires (until the very end). Rationalists are at this level of commitment.
Level 3. You use particular goals to guide your abstract goals.
Some political activists are at this level of commitment. (But please, don't bring CW topics here!)
Level 1. No updating. You never change ideas.
You just keep piling up your ideas into a single paradigm your entire life. You turn beautiful ideas into ugly ones so they fit with all your previous ideas.
Level 2. Updating. You change ideas.
When you encounter a new beautiful idea, you are ready to reformulate your previous knowledge around the new idea.
Level 3. Updating with "check points". You change ideas, but you use old ideas to prime new ones.
When you explore an idea, you mark some "check points" which you reached with that idea. When you ditch the idea for a new one, you still keep in mind the check points you marked. And use them to explore the new idea faster.
Level 1.
You build your theory using only "almost facts". I.e. you come up with "trivial" theories which are almost indistinguishable from the things we already know.
Level 2.
You build your theory on speculations. You "fantasize" important properties of your idea (which are important only to you or your field).
Level 3.
You build your theory on speculations. But those speculations are important even outside of your field.
I think Eliezer Yudkowsky and LW did theory-building of the 3rd level. A bunch of LW ideas are philosophically important even if you disagree with Bayesian epistemology (Eliezer's view on ethics and math, logical decision theories and some Alignment concepts).
Level 1.
You just want to predict the phenomenon. But many-many possible theories can predict the phenomenon, so you need something more.
Level 2.
You compare the phenomenon to other phenomena and focus on its qualities.
That's where most of theories go wrong: people become obsessed with their own fantasies about qualities of a phenomenon.
Level 3.
You focus on dynamics which connect this phenomenon to other phenomena. You focus on overlapping implications of different phenomena. 3rd level is needed for any important scientific breakthrough. For example:
Imagine you want to explain combustion (why/how things burn). On one hand you already "know everything" about the phenomenon, so what do you even do? Level 1 doesn't work. So, you try to think about qualities of burning, types of transformations, types of movement... but that won't take you anywhere. Level 2 doesn't work too. The right answer: you need to think not about qualities of transformations and movements, but about dynamics (conservation of mass, kinetic theory of gases) which connect different types of transformations and movements. Level 3 works.
Level 1. You assume the primary reality of the physical world. (Physicalism)
Take statements "2 + 2 = 4" and "God exists". To judge those statements, a physicalist is going to ask "Do those statements describe reality in a literal way? If yes, they are true."
Level 2. You assume the primary reality of statements of some fundamental language. (Descriptivism)
To judge statements, a descriptivist is going to ask "Can those statements be expressed in the fundamental language? If yes, they are true."
Level 3. You assume the primary reality of semantic connections between statements of languages. And the primary reality of some black boxes which create those connections. (Connectivism) You assume that something physical shapes the "language reality".
To judge statements, a connectivist is going to ask "Do those statements describe an important semantic connection? If yes, they are true."
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Recap. Physicalist: everything "physical" exists. Descriptivist: everything describable exists. Connectivist: everything important exists. Physicist can be too specific and descriptivist can be too generous. (This pattern of being "too specific" or "too generous" repeats for all commitment types.)
Thinking at the level of semantic connections should be natural to people (because they use natural language and... neural nets in their brains!). And yet this idea is extremely alien to people epistemology-wise.
Eliezer Yudkowsky is "confused" between level 1 and level 3. I.e. Eliezer has a lot of "level 3 ideas", but doesn't apply level 3 thinking to epistemology in general.
Level 1.
You're uncertain about superficial "correctness" of your reasoning. You worry if you missed a particular counter argument. Example: "I think humans are dumb. But maybe I missed a smart human or applied a wrong test?"
Level 2.
You un-systematically doubt your assumptions and definitions. Maybe even your inference rules a little bit (see "inference objection"#Inference_objection)). Example: "I think humans are dumb. But what is a "human"? What is "dumb"? What is "is"? And how can I be sure about anything at all?"
Level 3.
You doubt the semantic connections (e.g. inference rules) in your reasoning. You consider particular dynamics created by your definitions and assumptions. "My definitions and assumptions create this dynamic (not presented in all people). Can this dynamic exploit me?"
Example: "I think humans are dumb. But can my definition of "intelligence" exploit me? Can my pessimism exploit me? Can this be an inconvenient way to think about the world? Can my opinion turn me into a fool even I'm de facto correct?"
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Level 3 is like "security mindset" applied to your own reasoning. LW rationality mostly teaches against it, suggesting you to always take your smallest opinions at face value as "the truest thing you know". With some exceptions, such as "ethical injunctions", "radical honesty", "black swan bets" and "security mindset".
Level 1.
You can pass the Ideological Turing Test in a superficial way (you understand the structure of the opponent's opinion).
Level 2. "Telepathy".
You can "inhabit" the emotions/mindset of your opponent.
Level 3.
You can describe the opponent's position as a weaker version/copy of your own position. And additionally you can clearly imagine how your position could turn out to be "the weaker version/copy" of the opponent's position. You find a balance between telepathy and "my opinion is the only one which makes sense!"
Level 1.
You treat a problem as a puzzle to be solved by Your Favorite True Epistemology.
Level 2.
You treat a problem as a multi-layered puzzle which should be solved on different levels.
Level 3.
You don't treat a problem as a self-contained puzzle. You treat it as a "symbol" in the multitude of important languages. You can solve it by changing its meaning (by changing/exploring the languages).
Applying this type of thinking to the Unexpected hanging paradox:
Level 1. Norms, desires.
You analyze norms of specific communities and desires of specific people. That's quite easy: you are just learning facts.
Level 2. Ethics and meta-ethics.
You analyze similarities between different norms and desires. You get to pretty abstract and complicated values such as "having agency, autonomy, freedom; having an interesting life; having an ability to form connections with other people". You are lost in contradictory implications, interpretations and generalizations of those values. You have a (meta-)ethical paralysis.
Level 3. "Abstract norms".
You analyze similarities between implications of different norms and desires. You analyze dynamics created by specific norms. You realize that the most complicated values are easily derivable from the implications of the simplest norms. (Not without some bias, of course, but still.) The most complicated values and ethical paradoxes boil down to a single desire: "I want to get what I want without being exploited in some obvious way, by some obvious *dynamic*" (e.g. the repugnant conclusion). Answers to ethical questions can be very hard, but the core motivations and arguments are super easy.
Level 1. Inside values ("feeling good").
You care only about things inside of your mind. For example, do you feel good or not?
Level 2. Real values.
You care about things in the real world. Even though you can't care about them directly. But you make decisions to not delude yourself and not "simulate" your values.
Level 3. Semantic values.
You care about elements of some real system. And you care about proper dynamics of this system. For example, you care about things your friend cares about. But it's also important to you that your friend is not brainwashed, not controlled by you. And you are ready that one day your friend may stop caring about anything. (Your value may "die" a natural death.)
3rd level is the level of "semantic values". They are not "terminal values" in the usual sense. They can be temporal and path-dependent.
Level 1. In what ways some AI actions are bad?
You classify AI bugs into types. For example, you find "reward hacking" type of bugs.
Level 2. What qualities of AIs are good/bad?
You classify types of bugs into "qualities". You find such potentially bad qualities as "AI doesn't care about the real world" and "AI doesn't allow to fix itself (corrigibility)".
Level 3. What bad dynamics are created by bad actions of AI? What good dynamics are destroyed?
Assume AI turned humanity into paperclips. What's actually bad about that, beyond the very first obvious answer? What good dynamics did this action destroy? (Some answers: it destroyed the feedback loop, the connection between the task and its causal origin (humanity), the value of paperclips relative to other values, the "economical" value of paperclips, the ability of paperclips to change their value.)
On the 3rd level you classify different dynamics. I think people completely ignore the 3rd level. In both Alignment and moral philosophy. 3rd level is the level of "semantic values".
Level 1. Ordinary paranoia.
You have great imagination, you can imagine very creative attacks on your system. You patch those angles of attack.
Level 2. Security Mindset.
You study your own reasoning about safety of the system. You check if your assumptions are right or wrong. Then, you try to delete as much assumptions as you can. Even if they seem correct to you! You also delete anomalies of the system even if they seem harmless. You try to simplify your reasoning about the system seemingly "for the sake of it".
Level 3.
You design a system which would be safe even in a world with changing laws of physics and mathematics. Using some bias, of course (otherwise it's impossible).
Humans, idealized humans are "level 3 safe". All/almost all current approaches to Alignment don't give you a "level 3 safe" AI.
I think alignment researchers are "confused" between level 1 and level 3. They try to fix different "exploitation methods" (ways AI could exploit its rewards) instead of making the AI understand what "exploitation" means.
I also think this is the reason why alignment researches don't cooperate much, pushing in different directions.
Level 1. Inherent properties.
You treat objects as having more or less inherent properties. "This person is inherently smart."
Level 2. Meta-properties.
You treat any property as universal. "Anyone is smart under some definition of smartness."
Level 3. Semantic properties.
You treat properties only as relatively attached to objects: different objects form a system (a "language") where properties get distributed between them and differentiated. "Everyone is smart, but in a unique way. And those unique ways are important in the system."
Level 1.
You study how experience causes us to do good or bad things.
Level 2.
You study all the different experiences "goodness" and "badness" causes in us.
Level 3.
You study dynamics created by experiences, which are related to morality. You study implications of experiences. For example: "loving a sentient being feels fundamentally different from eating a sandwich. food taste is something short and intense, but love can be eternal and calm. this difference helps to not treat other sentient beings as something disposable"
I think the existence of the 3rd level isn't acknowledged much. And yet it could be important for alignment. Most versions of moral sentimentalism are 2nd level at best. Epistemic Sentimentalism can be 3rd level in the best case.
Level 1.
You learn which patterns are impossible due to local causal processes.
For example: "I'm unlikely to see a big tower made of eggs standing on top of each other". It's just not a stable situation due to very familiar laws of physics.
Level 2.
You learn statistical patterns (correlations) which can have almost nothing to do with causality.
For example: "people like to wear grey shirts".
Level 3.
You learn patterns which have a strong connection to other patterns and basic properties of images. You could say such patterns are created/prevented by "global" causal processes.
For example: "I'm unlikely to see a place fully filled with dogs. dogs are not people or birds or insects, they don't create such crowds or hordes". This is very abstract, connects to other patterns and basic properties of images.
I think yes.
One thing you can do is to split topics into sub-topics and raise your commitment in every particular sub-topic. Vaguely similar to gradient descent. That's what I've been doing in this post so far.
Another thing you can do is to apply recursion. You can split any topic into 3 levels of commitment. But then you can split the third level into 3 levels too. So, there's potentially an infinity of levels of commitment. And there can be many particular techniques for exploiting this fact.
But the main thing is the three levels of "exploring ways to explore commitment":
Are you committed to information?
Imagine you could learn anything (and forget it if you want). Would you be interested in learning different stuff more or less equally? You could learn something important (e.g. the most useful or the most abstract math), but you also could learn something completely useless - such as the life story of every ant who ever lived.
I know, this question is hard to make sense of: of course, anyone would like to learn everything/almost everything if there was no downside to it. But if you have a positive/negative commitment about the topic, then my question should make some sense anyway.
Are you committed to people?
Imagine you got extra two years to just talk to people. To usual people on the street or usual people on the Internet.
Would you be bored hanging out with them? And what if you had to waste most of your time writing down their conversations?
My answers: Maybe I was committed to information in general as a kid. Then I became committed to information related to people, produced by people, known by people. I wouldn't be bored to listen to people/to write about them.
But I felt those people lack something:
And, regardless of levels, if you care about something deeply and passionately: please, share your commitments! Even if your commitment is just "stamp collecting", I want to know what you find in it and what "discipline" you need in your hobby.
Thank you for reading this post. 🗿
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But that's supposed to be good: it means the model is original and brave enough to make risky statements.
In this model any difference in "intelligence levels" or any difference between two minds in general boils down to "commitment level".
What is "commitment"?
On some level, "commitment" is just a word. It's not needed to define the ideas I'm going to talk about. What's much more important is the three levels of commitment. There are often three levels which follow the same pattern, the same outline:Level 1. You explore a single possibility.
Level 2. You want to explore all possibilities. But you are paralyzed by the amount of possibilities. At this level you are interested in qualities of possibilities. You classify possibilities and types of possibilities.
Level 3. You explore all possibilities through a single possibility. At this level you are interested in dynamics of moving through the possibility space. You classify implications of possibilities.
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I'm going to give 20+ specific examples of the pattern above. This post is kind of repetitive, but it wasn't AI-generated, I swear. Repetition is a part of commitment.
Why is commitment important?
My explanation won't be clear before you read the post, but here it goes:- Commitment describes your values and the "level" of your intentionality.
- Commitment describes your level of intelligence (in a particular topic). Compared to yourself (your potential) or other people.
- Commitments are needed for communication. Without shared commitments it's impossible for two people to find a common ground.
- Commitment describes the "true content" of an argument, an idea, a philosophy. Ultimately, any property of a mind boils down to "commitments".
Basics
1. Commitment to exploration
I think there are three levels of commitment to exploration.Level 1. You treat things as immediate means to an end.
Imagine two enemy caveman teleported into a laboratory. They try to use whatever they find to beat each other. Without studying/exploring what they're using. So, they are just throwing microscopes and beakers at each other. They throw anti-matter guns at each other without even activating them.
Level 2. You explore things for the sake of it.
Think about mathematicians. They can explore math without any goal.
Level 3. You use particular goals to guide your exploration of things. Even though you would care about exploring them without any goal anyway. The exploration space is just too large, so you use particular goals to narrow it down.
Imagine a physicist who explores mathematics by considering imaginary universes and applying physical intuition to discover deep mathematical facts. Such person uses a particular goal/bias to guide "pure exploration". (inspired by Edward Witten, see Michael Atiyah's quote)
More examples
- In terms of exploring ideas, our culture is at the level 1 (angry caveman). We understand ideas only as "ideas of getting something (immediately)" or "ideas of proving something (immediately)". We are not interested in exploring ideas for the sake of it. The only metrics we apply to ideas are "(immediate) usefulness" and "trueness". Not "beauty", "originality" and "importance". People in general are at the level 1. Philosophers are at the level 1 or "1.5". Rationality community is at the level 1 too (sadly): rationalists still mostly care only about immediate usefulness and truth.
- In terms of exploring argumentation and reasoning, our culture is at the level 1. If you never thought "stupid arguments don't exist", then you are at the level 1: you haven't explored arguments and reasoning for the sake of it, you immediately jumped to assuming "The Only True Way To Reason" (be it your intuition, scientific method, particular ideology or Bayesian epistemology). You haven't stepped outside of your perspective a single time. Almost everyone is at the level 1. Eliezer Yudkowsky is at the level 3, but in a much narrower field: Yudkowsky explored rationality with the specific goal/bias of AI safety. However, overall Eliezer is at the level 1 too: never studied human reasoning outside of what he thinks is "correct".
2. Commitment to goals
I think there are three levels of commitment to goals.Level 1. You have a specific selfish goal.
"I want to get a lot of money" or "I want to save my friends" or "I want to make a ton of paperclips", for example.
Level 2. You have an abstract goal. But this goal doesn't imply much interaction with the real world.
"I want to maximize everyone's happiness" or "I want to prevent (X) disaster", for example. This is a broad goal, but it doesn't imply actually learning and caring about anyone's desires (until the very end). Rationalists are at this level of commitment.
Level 3. You use particular goals to guide your abstract goals.
Some political activists are at this level of commitment. (But please, don't bring CW topics here!)
3. Commitment to updating
"Commitment to updating" is the ability to re-start your exploration from the square one. I think there are three levels to it.Level 1. No updating. You never change ideas.
You just keep piling up your ideas into a single paradigm your entire life. You turn beautiful ideas into ugly ones so they fit with all your previous ideas.
Level 2. Updating. You change ideas.
When you encounter a new beautiful idea, you are ready to reformulate your previous knowledge around the new idea.
Level 3. Updating with "check points". You change ideas, but you use old ideas to prime new ones.
When you explore an idea, you mark some "check points" which you reached with that idea. When you ditch the idea for a new one, you still keep in mind the check points you marked. And use them to explore the new idea faster.
Science
4.1 Commitment and theory-building
I think there are three levels of commitment in theory-building.Level 1.
You build your theory using only "almost facts". I.e. you come up with "trivial" theories which are almost indistinguishable from the things we already know.
Level 2.
You build your theory on speculations. You "fantasize" important properties of your idea (which are important only to you or your field).
Level 3.
You build your theory on speculations. But those speculations are important even outside of your field.
I think Eliezer Yudkowsky and LW did theory-building of the 3rd level. A bunch of LW ideas are philosophically important even if you disagree with Bayesian epistemology (Eliezer's view on ethics and math, logical decision theories and some Alignment concepts).
4.2 Commitment to explaining a phenomenon
I think there are three types of commitment in explaining a phenomenon.Level 1.
You just want to predict the phenomenon. But many-many possible theories can predict the phenomenon, so you need something more.
Level 2.
You compare the phenomenon to other phenomena and focus on its qualities.
That's where most of theories go wrong: people become obsessed with their own fantasies about qualities of a phenomenon.
Level 3.
You focus on dynamics which connect this phenomenon to other phenomena. You focus on overlapping implications of different phenomena. 3rd level is needed for any important scientific breakthrough. For example:
Imagine you want to explain combustion (why/how things burn). On one hand you already "know everything" about the phenomenon, so what do you even do? Level 1 doesn't work. So, you try to think about qualities of burning, types of transformations, types of movement... but that won't take you anywhere. Level 2 doesn't work too. The right answer: you need to think not about qualities of transformations and movements, but about dynamics (conservation of mass, kinetic theory of gases) which connect different types of transformations and movements. Level 3 works.
Epistemology pt. 1
5. Commitment and epistemology
I think there are three levels of commitment in epistemology.Level 1. You assume the primary reality of the physical world. (Physicalism)
Take statements "2 + 2 = 4" and "God exists". To judge those statements, a physicalist is going to ask "Do those statements describe reality in a literal way? If yes, they are true."
Level 2. You assume the primary reality of statements of some fundamental language. (Descriptivism)
To judge statements, a descriptivist is going to ask "Can those statements be expressed in the fundamental language? If yes, they are true."
Level 3. You assume the primary reality of semantic connections between statements of languages. And the primary reality of some black boxes which create those connections. (Connectivism) You assume that something physical shapes the "language reality".
To judge statements, a connectivist is going to ask "Do those statements describe an important semantic connection? If yes, they are true."
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Recap. Physicalist: everything "physical" exists. Descriptivist: everything describable exists. Connectivist: everything important exists. Physicist can be too specific and descriptivist can be too generous. (This pattern of being "too specific" or "too generous" repeats for all commitment types.)
Thinking at the level of semantic connections should be natural to people (because they use natural language and... neural nets in their brains!). And yet this idea is extremely alien to people epistemology-wise.
Implications for rationality
In general, rationalists are "confused" between level 1 and level 2. I.e. they often treat level 2 very seriously, but aren't fully committed to it.Eliezer Yudkowsky is "confused" between level 1 and level 3. I.e. Eliezer has a lot of "level 3 ideas", but doesn't apply level 3 thinking to epistemology in general.
- On one hand, Eliezer believes that "map is not the territory". (level 1 idea)
- On another hand, Eliezer believes that math is an "objective" language shaped by the physical reality. (level 3 idea)
- Similarly, Eliezer believes that human ethics are defined by some important "objective" semantic connections (which can evolve, but only to a degree). (level 3)
- "Logical decision theories" treat logic as something created by connections between black boxes. (level 3)
- When you do Security Mindset, you should make not only "correct", but beautiful maps. Societal properties of your map matter more than your opinions. (level 3)
6. Commitment and uncertainty
I think there are three levels of commitment in doubting one's own reasoning.Level 1.
You're uncertain about superficial "correctness" of your reasoning. You worry if you missed a particular counter argument. Example: "I think humans are dumb. But maybe I missed a smart human or applied a wrong test?"
Level 2.
You un-systematically doubt your assumptions and definitions. Maybe even your inference rules a little bit (see "inference objection"#Inference_objection)). Example: "I think humans are dumb. But what is a "human"? What is "dumb"? What is "is"? And how can I be sure about anything at all?"
Level 3.
You doubt the semantic connections (e.g. inference rules) in your reasoning. You consider particular dynamics created by your definitions and assumptions. "My definitions and assumptions create this dynamic (not presented in all people). Can this dynamic exploit me?"
Example: "I think humans are dumb. But can my definition of "intelligence" exploit me? Can my pessimism exploit me? Can this be an inconvenient way to think about the world? Can my opinion turn me into a fool even I'm de facto correct?"
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Level 3 is like "security mindset" applied to your own reasoning. LW rationality mostly teaches against it, suggesting you to always take your smallest opinions at face value as "the truest thing you know". With some exceptions, such as "ethical injunctions", "radical honesty", "black swan bets" and "security mindset".
Epistemology pt. 2
7. Commitment to understanding/empathy
I think there are three levels of commitment in understanding your opponent.Level 1.
You can pass the Ideological Turing Test in a superficial way (you understand the structure of the opponent's opinion).
Level 2. "Telepathy".
You can "inhabit" the emotions/mindset of your opponent.
Level 3.
You can describe the opponent's position as a weaker version/copy of your own position. And additionally you can clearly imagine how your position could turn out to be "the weaker version/copy" of the opponent's position. You find a balance between telepathy and "my opinion is the only one which makes sense!"
8. Commitment to "resolving" problems
I think there are three levels of commitment in "resolving" problems.Level 1.
You treat a problem as a puzzle to be solved by Your Favorite True Epistemology.
Level 2.
You treat a problem as a multi-layered puzzle which should be solved on different levels.
Level 3.
You don't treat a problem as a self-contained puzzle. You treat it as a "symbol" in the multitude of important languages. You can solve it by changing its meaning (by changing/exploring the languages).
Applying this type of thinking to the Unexpected hanging paradox:
I don't treat this paradox as a chess puzzle: I don't think it's something that could be solved or even "made sense of" from the inside. You need outside context. Like, does it ask you to survive? Then you can simply expect the hanging every day and be safe. (Though - can you do this to your psychology?) Or does the paradox ask you to come up with formal reasoning rules to solve it? But you can make any absurd reasoning system - to make a meaningful system you need to answer "for what purposes this system is going to be needed except this paradox". So, I think that "from the inside" there's no ground truth (though it can exist "from the outside"). Without context there's a lot of simple, but absurd or trivial solutions like "ignore logic, think directly about outcomes" or "come up with some BS reasoning system". Or say "Solomonoff induction solves all paradoxes: even if it doesn't, it's the best possible predictor of reality, so just ignore philosophers, lol".
Alignment pt. 1
9.1 Commitment to morality
I think there are three levels of commitment in morality.Level 1. Norms, desires.
You analyze norms of specific communities and desires of specific people. That's quite easy: you are just learning facts.
Level 2. Ethics and meta-ethics.
You analyze similarities between different norms and desires. You get to pretty abstract and complicated values such as "having agency, autonomy, freedom; having an interesting life; having an ability to form connections with other people". You are lost in contradictory implications, interpretations and generalizations of those values. You have a (meta-)ethical paralysis.
Level 3. "Abstract norms".
You analyze similarities between implications of different norms and desires. You analyze dynamics created by specific norms. You realize that the most complicated values are easily derivable from the implications of the simplest norms. (Not without some bias, of course, but still.) The most complicated values and ethical paradoxes boil down to a single desire: "I want to get what I want without being exploited in some obvious way, by some obvious *dynamic*" (e.g. the repugnant conclusion). Answers to ethical questions can be very hard, but the core motivations and arguments are super easy.
Who gets it?
I think moral philosophers and Alignment researches are seriously dropping the ball by ignoring the 3rd level. Acknowledging the 3rd level doesn't immediately solve Alignment, but it can pretty much "solve" ethics or the discourse around ethics (with a bit of effort). Eliezer Yudkowsky has 3rd level understanding of meta-ethics (morality is "Abstracted Idealized Dynamics", "Morality as Fixed Computation"), but misses that he could apply his idea on the level of "abstract norms" with much more effect. Particularism (in ethics and reasoning in general) could reach the 3rd level.9.2 Commitment to values
I think there are three levels of values.Level 1. Inside values ("feeling good").
You care only about things inside of your mind. For example, do you feel good or not?
Level 2. Real values.
You care about things in the real world. Even though you can't care about them directly. But you make decisions to not delude yourself and not "simulate" your values.
Level 3. Semantic values.
You care about elements of some real system. And you care about proper dynamics of this system. For example, you care about things your friend cares about. But it's also important to you that your friend is not brainwashed, not controlled by you. And you are ready that one day your friend may stop caring about anything. (Your value may "die" a natural death.)
3rd level is the level of "semantic values". They are not "terminal values" in the usual sense. They can be temporal and path-dependent.
9.3 Commitment and research interest
So, you're interested in ways in which an AI can go wrong. What specifically can you be interested in? I think there are three levels to it.Level 1. In what ways some AI actions are bad?
You classify AI bugs into types. For example, you find "reward hacking" type of bugs.
Level 2. What qualities of AIs are good/bad?
You classify types of bugs into "qualities". You find such potentially bad qualities as "AI doesn't care about the real world" and "AI doesn't allow to fix itself (corrigibility)".
Level 3. What bad dynamics are created by bad actions of AI? What good dynamics are destroyed?
Assume AI turned humanity into paperclips. What's actually bad about that, beyond the very first obvious answer? What good dynamics did this action destroy? (Some answers: it destroyed the feedback loop, the connection between the task and its causal origin (humanity), the value of paperclips relative to other values, the "economical" value of paperclips, the ability of paperclips to change their value.)
On the 3rd level you classify different dynamics. I think people completely ignore the 3rd level. In both Alignment and moral philosophy. 3rd level is the level of "semantic values".
Alignment pt. 2
10. Commitment to Security Mindset
I think Security Mindset has three levels of commitment.Level 1. Ordinary paranoia.
You have great imagination, you can imagine very creative attacks on your system. You patch those angles of attack.
Level 2. Security Mindset.
You study your own reasoning about safety of the system. You check if your assumptions are right or wrong. Then, you try to delete as much assumptions as you can. Even if they seem correct to you! You also delete anomalies of the system even if they seem harmless. You try to simplify your reasoning about the system seemingly "for the sake of it".
Level 3.
You design a system which would be safe even in a world with changing laws of physics and mathematics. Using some bias, of course (otherwise it's impossible).
Humans, idealized humans are "level 3 safe". All/almost all current approaches to Alignment don't give you a "level 3 safe" AI.
11. Commitment to Alignment
I think there are three levels of commitment a (mis)aligned AI can have. Alternatively, those are three or two levels at which you can try to solve the Alignment problem.- AI has a fixed goal or a fixed method of finding a goal (which likely can't be Aligned with humanity). It respects only its own agency. So, ultimately it does everything it wants.
- AI knows that different ethics are possible and is completely uncertain about ethics. AI respects only other people's agency. So, it doesn't do anything at all (except preventing, a bit lazily, 100% certain destruction and oppression). Or requires an infinite permission.
- AI can respect both its own agency and the agency of humanity. AI finds a way to treat its agency as the continuation of the agency of people. AI makes sure it doesn't create any dynamic which couldn't be reversed by people (unless there's nothing else to do). So, AI can both act and be sensitive to people.
Implications for Alignment research
I think a fully safe system exists only on the level 3. The most safe system is the system which understands what "exploitation" means, so it never willingly exploits its rewards in any way. Humans are an example of such system.I think alignment researchers are "confused" between level 1 and level 3. They try to fix different "exploitation methods" (ways AI could exploit its rewards) instead of making the AI understand what "exploitation" means.
I also think this is the reason why alignment researches don't cooperate much, pushing in different directions.
Perception
12. Commitment to properties
Commitments exist even on the level of perception. There are three levels of properties to which your perception can react.Level 1. Inherent properties.
You treat objects as having more or less inherent properties. "This person is inherently smart."
Level 2. Meta-properties.
You treat any property as universal. "Anyone is smart under some definition of smartness."
Level 3. Semantic properties.
You treat properties only as relatively attached to objects: different objects form a system (a "language") where properties get distributed between them and differentiated. "Everyone is smart, but in a unique way. And those unique ways are important in the system."
14.1 Commitment to experiences and knowledge
I think there are three levels of commitment to experiences.- You're interested in particular experiences.
- You want to explore all possible experiences.
- You're interested in real objects which produce your experiences (e.g. your friends): you're interested what knowledge "all possible experiences" could reveal about them. You want to know where physical/mathematical facts and experiences overlap.
14.2 Commitment to experience and morality
I think there are three levels of investigating the connection between experience and morality.Level 1.
You study how experience causes us to do good or bad things.
Level 2.
You study all the different experiences "goodness" and "badness" causes in us.
Level 3.
You study dynamics created by experiences, which are related to morality. You study implications of experiences. For example: "loving a sentient being feels fundamentally different from eating a sandwich. food taste is something short and intense, but love can be eternal and calm. this difference helps to not treat other sentient beings as something disposable"
I think the existence of the 3rd level isn't acknowledged much. And yet it could be important for alignment. Most versions of moral sentimentalism are 2nd level at best. Epistemic Sentimentalism can be 3rd level in the best case.
Cognition
15.1 Studying patterns
I think there are three levels of commitment to patterns.- You study particular patterns.
- You study all possible patterns: you study qualities of patterns.
- You study implications of patterns. You study dynamics of patterns: how patterns get updated or destroyed when you learn new information.
15.2 Patterns and causality
I think there are three levels in the relationship between patterns and causality. I'm going to give examples about visual patterns.Level 1.
You learn which patterns are impossible due to local causal processes.
For example: "I'm unlikely to see a big tower made of eggs standing on top of each other". It's just not a stable situation due to very familiar laws of physics.
Level 2.
You learn statistical patterns (correlations) which can have almost nothing to do with causality.
For example: "people like to wear grey shirts".
Level 3.
You learn patterns which have a strong connection to other patterns and basic properties of images. You could say such patterns are created/prevented by "global" causal processes.
For example: "I'm unlikely to see a place fully filled with dogs. dogs are not people or birds or insects, they don't create such crowds or hordes". This is very abstract, connects to other patterns and basic properties of images.
Implications for Machine Learning
I think...- It's likely that Machine Learning models don't learn level 3 patterns as well as they could, as sharply as they could.
- Machine Learning models should be 100% able to learn level 3 patterns. It shouldn't require any specific data.
- Learning/comparing level 3 patterns is interesting enough on its own. It could be its own area of research. But we don't apply statistics/Machine Learning to try mining those patterns. This may be a missed opportunity for humans.
16. Cognitive processes
Suppose you want to study different cognitive processes, skills, types of knowledge. There are three levels:- You study particular cognitive processes.
- You study qualities of cognitive processes.
- You study dynamics created by cognitive processes. How "actions" of different cognitive processes overlap.
- Causal reasoning learns abstract configurations of abstract objects in the real world. So you can learn stuff like "this abstract rule applies to most objects in the world".
- Symbolic reasoning learns abstract configurations of abstract objects in your "concept space". So you can learn stuff like ""concept A contains concept B" is an important pattern".
- Correlational reasoning learns specific configurations of specific objects.
- Mathematical reasoning learns specific configurations of abstract objects. So you can build arbitrary structures with abstract building blocks.
- Self-aware reasoning can transform abstract objects into specific objects. So you can think thoughts like, for example, "maybe I'm just a random person with random opinions".
Meta-level
Can you be committed to exploring commitment?I think yes.
One thing you can do is to split topics into sub-topics and raise your commitment in every particular sub-topic. Vaguely similar to gradient descent. That's what I've been doing in this post so far.
Another thing you can do is to apply recursion. You can split any topic into 3 levels of commitment. But then you can split the third level into 3 levels too. So, there's potentially an infinity of levels of commitment. And there can be many particular techniques for exploiting this fact.
But the main thing is the three levels of "exploring ways to explore commitment":
- You study particular ways to raise commitment.
- You study all possible ways to raise commitment.
- You study all possible ways through a particular way. You study dynamics and implications which the ways create.
Final part
Specific commitments
You can ponder your commitment to specific things.Are you committed to information?
Imagine you could learn anything (and forget it if you want). Would you be interested in learning different stuff more or less equally? You could learn something important (e.g. the most useful or the most abstract math), but you also could learn something completely useless - such as the life story of every ant who ever lived.
I know, this question is hard to make sense of: of course, anyone would like to learn everything/almost everything if there was no downside to it. But if you have a positive/negative commitment about the topic, then my question should make some sense anyway.
Are you committed to people?
Imagine you got extra two years to just talk to people. To usual people on the street or usual people on the Internet.
Would you be bored hanging out with them? And what if you had to waste most of your time writing down their conversations?
My answers: Maybe I was committed to information in general as a kid. Then I became committed to information related to people, produced by people, known by people. I wouldn't be bored to listen to people/to write about them.
My inspiration for writing this post
I encountered a bunch of people who are more committed to exploring ideas (and taking ideas seriously) than usual. More committed than most rationalists, for example.But I felt those people lack something:
- They are able to explore ideas, but don't care about that anymore. They care only about their own clusters of idiosyncratic ideas.
- They have very vague goals which are compatible with any specific actions.
- They don't care if their ideas could even in principle matter to people. They have "disconnected" from other people, from other people's context. Sometimes through some level of "elitism".
- When they acknowledge you as "smart", they don't try to learn your ideas or share their ideas or argue with you or ask your help for solving a problem.
Conclusion
If you have a high level of commitment (3rd level) at least to something, then we should find a common language. You may even be like a sibling to me.And, regardless of levels, if you care about something deeply and passionately: please, share your commitments! Even if your commitment is just "stamp collecting", I want to know what you find in it and what "discipline" you need in your hobby.
Thank you for reading this post. 🗿
2023.02.24 15:45 AvocadoOwn9407 List of 54 UK companies hiring for internships now
Hi Reddit!
While crunching a lot of tech market data for my side-project, I had an opportunity to create a list of 54 UK companies hiring now for tech internships, grouped by city and tagged with tech stack by my ML model.
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While crunching a lot of tech market data for my side-project, I had an opportunity to create a list of 54 UK companies hiring now for tech internships, grouped by city and tagged with tech stack by my ML model.
London
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2023.02.23 21:14 CabbageWithAGun Has anybody… found themselves disappointed with ChatGPT?
TL;DR: I was hoping it was a powerful tool to answer my science questions, but instead it feels more like a gimmicky chat bot. (Please don’t kill me, I know you guys love it)
When I first got ChatGPT, I was incredibly excited. I don’t know if I’m just bad at google, but I have trouble finding answers to abstract questions I have. I’m also not the smartest, so having a bot that could summarize articles and then rewrite them in a way that I could comprehend was an incredibly exciting prospect, because I often don’t understand the math, chemistry, or physics lingo that pops up.
My first session only cemented my excitement- not only was it able to answer my long and rambling question (If we can move in all directions along the X, Y, and Z dimensions by expending chemical or kinetic and potential energy, why can’t we move in all directions along the time dimension? What sort of energy would we need to use to move about time?) It was able to provide further explanation when I was having trouble understanding specific facets (I.e. why spatial dimensions are considered continuous whereas time is currently considered discrete) and answer a question I didn’t know I had (It’s theorized time moves in one direction due to entropy and the way energy wants to flow)
Also, it explained to me the continuous time stochastic process, and when I gave it examples (its previous example was a particle moving in fluid, mine was the amount of snow on a specific spot on the ground at any given time in the winter) it confirmed mine was correct, and why.
And then I got on this subreddit, super excited to share everything, and discovered that ChatGPT tends to make up a lot of stuff and make it sound convincingly true.
So… instead of this extremely powerful research tool that I was hoping to answer all of these shower questions I have, it’s just… a chat bot. A fancy chat bot, to be sure, but… it’s more of a gimmick than anything, it sounds like. Yay, it can write poems. I mean, parts of it sound nice, I guess. Like if a sentence needs to be rewritten since it sounds awkward.
But im just feeling really disappointed that what was supposed to be this really powerful tool is more of… a fun gimmick than anything, I guess. I can plan birthday parties on my own. I can write (terrible, but at least it’s still original) poetry on my own. I’m not really interested in tricking it to say things it wouldn’t normally say. My fault for not reading more into it before making an account, I suppose.
I dunno. I’m signed up on the bing waitlist because I’ve heard the ChatGPT version there has access to the internet and will hopefully be correct and what I was hoping for.
So, does anybody else have the same feelings?
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When I first got ChatGPT, I was incredibly excited. I don’t know if I’m just bad at google, but I have trouble finding answers to abstract questions I have. I’m also not the smartest, so having a bot that could summarize articles and then rewrite them in a way that I could comprehend was an incredibly exciting prospect, because I often don’t understand the math, chemistry, or physics lingo that pops up.
My first session only cemented my excitement- not only was it able to answer my long and rambling question (If we can move in all directions along the X, Y, and Z dimensions by expending chemical or kinetic and potential energy, why can’t we move in all directions along the time dimension? What sort of energy would we need to use to move about time?) It was able to provide further explanation when I was having trouble understanding specific facets (I.e. why spatial dimensions are considered continuous whereas time is currently considered discrete) and answer a question I didn’t know I had (It’s theorized time moves in one direction due to entropy and the way energy wants to flow)
Also, it explained to me the continuous time stochastic process, and when I gave it examples (its previous example was a particle moving in fluid, mine was the amount of snow on a specific spot on the ground at any given time in the winter) it confirmed mine was correct, and why.
And then I got on this subreddit, super excited to share everything, and discovered that ChatGPT tends to make up a lot of stuff and make it sound convincingly true.
So… instead of this extremely powerful research tool that I was hoping to answer all of these shower questions I have, it’s just… a chat bot. A fancy chat bot, to be sure, but… it’s more of a gimmick than anything, it sounds like. Yay, it can write poems. I mean, parts of it sound nice, I guess. Like if a sentence needs to be rewritten since it sounds awkward.
But im just feeling really disappointed that what was supposed to be this really powerful tool is more of… a fun gimmick than anything, I guess. I can plan birthday parties on my own. I can write (terrible, but at least it’s still original) poetry on my own. I’m not really interested in tricking it to say things it wouldn’t normally say. My fault for not reading more into it before making an account, I suppose.
I dunno. I’m signed up on the bing waitlist because I’ve heard the ChatGPT version there has access to the internet and will hopefully be correct and what I was hoping for.
So, does anybody else have the same feelings?
2023.02.23 21:00 jpdelta6 [College Homework: COE] Is this even the right equation?
![[College Homework: COE] Is this even the right equation?](https://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/zC4LyvgWjJ7NvHIm4ntolWZQlx_kXxghl5OtOt1RBdc.jpg "[College Homework: COE] Is this even the right equation?") | So I had a new problem, and it's left me frustrated, cause the section of the book covering it does a crap job explaining. submitted by jpdelta6 to physicshomework [link] [comments] https://preview.redd.it/oz4yfxu0lzja1.png?width=589&format=png&auto=webp&s=32fd60f18832a5879f36c22cfae03c670cc3209e I'm then told to find the total, rotational, and translational kinetic energy, (in that order) when the sphere reaches the bottom of the ramp. https://preview.redd.it/uzdgk0z6nzja1.png?width=272&format=png&auto=webp&s=17f43ab6de949decd25a5cf6901d370006110dd2 The only equation I'm ever told is the Kinetic Energy of Rolling Motion equation, which I think is what I need. However, I'm never told what the difference is between total, rotational, or translational kinetic energy, which I'm trying to research elsewhere but I'm hoping people can help explain it better than the Internet. From what I've figured out, m= 1.7 kg, that's the only thing I'm sure of, but ω it think I need to use r= .20 m in some way but I'm not able to remember how I'd use this. I'm sorry for the abysmal amount of progress with this. |
2023.02.22 16:49 IHavDepression1969 Reginleif Exp.0328 "Undertaker"
 | This very tank is one of the hundreds of Reginleifs exported to the Island nation of Nobiyoko, this specific tank however is commanded by a 21 year old Hiromi Taneda of the 7th Armored Division of Nobiyoko's Offense Force in which he requested that his tank will be taken back to Minandoria to be upgraded on his request. submitted by IHavDepression1969 to SprocketTankDesign [link] [comments] His first request of the tank is that it will be mounted with an extra set of .50 calliber machine guns, his second was a periscope for him so he could look over some obstable, something many tanks did not have, his third and final request was that the tank would be refitted with the MNT-120, the same gun used on the Minotaur 1 and 2. While the 120mm would be a problem to fit, the Minandorian Design institute did as he requested and made a new auto loading system for the 120mm to fit in the Reginleif and this would be the basis for the later A1 variant of the tank. This tank's 2 most famous deployment are at such followed : Camp Kenogi Incident The Coup of 1983 where after the recent election of the new president had many people infuriated by the massive scandal in which the new president cheated in order to gain votes, the millitary after getting wind of this quickly dispatched forces to attempt to overthrow the new president. However there are also part of the military that was bought by the president inorder to prevent a situation like this from happening, this force had the majority of the millitary equipments in possession such as the Reginleif main battle tanks and all of the newly imported Minotaur 1, which only 4 our of 10 was operational. The force that initiated the Coup had only a few Reginleifs, however the "Undertaker" was on their side, the civil war broke out when commander Taneda secretly climbed up on Mount Kenogi and took a shot from 6.4 Kilometers away destroying all operational Minotaur 1 while they are still parked and not ready for combat, immediatly backing away after finishing the objective, Taneda felt the ground rattling more than usual and after he looks into his periscope viewing over a small hill beside the base, he was a collum of 8 Reginleifs mobilizing to hunt him down. He acted quickly and commanded driver to move into an ambush position, waiting in the ambush position as soon as the first Reginleif rolled into his gun sight, he quickly shouted "Fire!", The 120mm tungsten long rod kinetic penetrator, NhK-1A1 exited from his barrel and went straight into the ammunition rack of the first Reginleif in line sending it's turret sky high. The remaining Reginleif went into a state of shock and panic as the turret of the first on conveniently fell down and onto the roof of the second one in line, as the remaining tanks panic, Taneda rolled out of the ambush position and fired at the last Reginleif in line and immediatly rolled back to reload while the second Reginleif in line tried to push in as he was reloading, he fired another quick follow-up shot due to the improved autoloading system placed after the upgrade. Taneda swiftly destroyed the remaining Reginleifs returned to base with no resistance from any enemy force, in 3 hours and 41 minutes, Taneda managed to aquire a kill count of 12. Later on he and the rest of his allies would over take the corrupt government of the nation and bringing an end to the civil war. Yoguzu field incident of 1991 The incident was recorded as one of the most politically controversial incident and one of the most intense as a 1st Gen MBT won against 3 4th Gen MBTs, it started off when 3 Karelian KMBR-3s was spotted sitting in the Yoguzu field for some reason and Taneda was sent along with his crews to check what was going on since there has been no record of import of the KMBR-3s. When Taneda was looking for the 3 tanks he was suddenly barraged by 20mm rounds and reversed back immediatly, after looking through the periscope to see where the barrage had came from he spotted the 3 tanks seeming back to an unalerted position as if nothing had happened a few seconds ago, he thought to himself that it was odd seeing the crew of those tanks behaving like that. Taneda then contacted Hq for fire permission which was authorized, after he got authorization for fire he quickly tried to move into a position where he could shoot without exposing himself too much, as soon as the gunner pulled the trigger the NhK-1A1 beelined towards the KMBR-3 and into it's turret ammo racks and set the tank ablaze. He quickly maneuvered to destroy the other 2 KMBR-3 which oddly did not react to their comrad's death at all, after destroying all of them he went out of his tank along with his gunner and driver to see the insides of the KMBR-3, but instead of finding crews or atleast their corpses the tank instead littered with electronics device which is suspected to be an automatic AI control system. After the event took place the Karelian Millitary criticized Taneda for opening fire on their Main battle tank first, which was not true according Taneda's experience and the camera recordings on the tank, the NOF (Nobiyoko's Offense Force) returned the criticization with a question of why was the 3 KMBR-3 even on their land in the first place and why was there an AI combat system equiped in the tank but the Karelian Millitary refused to give an explanation of why the tanks are there nor why there are AI combat system equiped. That very day Taneda set yet another occurence of David Vs Goliath however there are 3 Goliath this time around, Taneda was to be promoted to a higher rank than a tank commander, however he refused the position and said that he wanted to be in his tank with his crews. In 2018 Taneda and the NOF will be receive a batch of 100 Minotaur 3s and the Reginleif Exp.0328 "Undertaker" will finally receive it's deserved rest in the Kenogi Museum right beside the camp which was it's peak performance, by it's retirement the tank had scored a 38 tank kills, 25 from the civil war, 3 from the Yoguzu field incident and the rest are from other minor conflicts that isnt talked about. This time around the Minandorian Design Institute has recognized his name and had made an extra Minotaur 3 just for him and his crew with the insignia, hull number, paint, 2 .50 cal MGs, and the classic periscope design Taneda had in his Reginleif. Gallery Personal markings and hull number https://preview.redd.it/od5t5zgbgrja1.jpg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7adc187e64a6638a03cb321b9d3863517e393e8 Destroying the first KMBR 3 Destroying the second KMBR 3 destroying the last KMBR 3 Taneda revisiting the Yoguzu field now in a 4th Gen MBT NOTE : ALL CHARACTERS, COUNTRY, POLITICAL ISSUES ARE FICTIONAL This was not AI generated I can assure you, and if you want you could try to compare this to some fictional tank stories on the internet to prove that this wasnt just some plagiarism. Thank you for reading this tank story I created. |
2023.02.20 21:52 Nervous_Driver334 Was a little bored, so I did a little analysis of Snowpiercer. Feel free to correct and/or roast mistakes.
DIMENSIONS 1 normal, empty freight car weights 30 tons, dimensions are 3 meters tall, 16 meters long and 3 meters wide. Snowpiercers cars are a lot, A LOT bigger than normal cars ( google says: 9 meters wide, 12 meters tall and 65 meters long). So lets say Snowpiercers car is 5 times biggeheavier than normal one.
WEIGHT 150 ton times 1000 is 1.5 MILLION TONS. For some reference, thats 2.3 times more than the biggest ship loaded to max capacity that ever sailed.
LENGTH 65 meters times 1000 is 65 kilometers. I believe the 10 miles (16 kilometers) comment in show was a metaphor. Reference can be longest passenger train (1.9 kilometers) and longest freight train (7.3 kilometers).
SPEED Average speed of Snowpiercer is about 170km/hour. That means when engine go past some mark it takes 20 minutes for the tail to reach the same mark.
KINETIC ENERGY Using Kinetic Energy Calculator on the internet I calculated kinetic energy that Snowpiercer have when going 170km/h. Its 1672453971296.3 Joules of energy, thats 400 tons of TNT. Beirut explosion was estimated to be equivalent of 300-400 tons of TNT
IRL FUEL CONSUMPTION Average train needs 1l of fuel to haul 1t of cargo 120km away. That means to move Snowpiercer 1km away we need 12.5k liters of fuel
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WEIGHT 150 ton times 1000 is 1.5 MILLION TONS. For some reference, thats 2.3 times more than the biggest ship loaded to max capacity that ever sailed.
LENGTH 65 meters times 1000 is 65 kilometers. I believe the 10 miles (16 kilometers) comment in show was a metaphor. Reference can be longest passenger train (1.9 kilometers) and longest freight train (7.3 kilometers).
SPEED Average speed of Snowpiercer is about 170km/hour. That means when engine go past some mark it takes 20 minutes for the tail to reach the same mark.
KINETIC ENERGY Using Kinetic Energy Calculator on the internet I calculated kinetic energy that Snowpiercer have when going 170km/h. Its 1672453971296.3 Joules of energy, thats 400 tons of TNT. Beirut explosion was estimated to be equivalent of 300-400 tons of TNT
IRL FUEL CONSUMPTION Average train needs 1l of fuel to haul 1t of cargo 120km away. That means to move Snowpiercer 1km away we need 12.5k liters of fuel
2023.02.17 02:33 CummyCatTheChad How to create an explosive anti-tank shell from French Baguettes
Say, you were visiting a Polish site in the internet, trying to torrent NASCAR season 5 at 240p, however you were careless in protecting your home IP address, alerting your internet provider and the French government of your illegal activities. The natural response to this would be sending in a modern Leclerc main battle tank developed by Nexter systems, who provides weaponry to the French government. The Leclerc, a top class main battle tank armed with a GIAT CN120-26/52 120mm tank gun, and explosive shells ready to obliterate your poor home computer. You could try to defend against this metal behemoth trying to save your ill-armored personal computer from the fury of 40 tank rounds. Your computer, who was built without armor, could not possibly survive, except when armed with military grade homogeneous armor typically used in armored vehicles, however welding this to your system unit would impair its abilities to run the rest of the system and provide you with entertainment.
Therefore the only option would be to strike the metal behemoth with such speed and power, rendering it useless. What are your choices? Would you strike it with a sledgehammer with such speed demolishing its outer armor? No, you would simple be vaporized by its guns, especially with a trained crew operating the vehicle. Therefore you will use anti-tank rouns fired from anti-tank guns, such as a German Panzerhaubitze-2000. This solves the propellant system, the only question is the ammunition. You could attempt to destroy the tank with a kinetic penetration shell, however the Leclerc employs specialized armor to counter such threats, particularly in the front, the gun breech, and the gunner's sights. However, the Leclerc has a weakness. Its top side, the roof, has much thinner armor than the rest to solve its weight issues, but firing a standard anti-tank shell would be foolish as it would simply ricochet off. But I have a solution to this dillemma.
Take a gander at the HESH shell. The HESH is different from standard shells as it uses a malleable plastic explosive for its detonation phase, and when fired, will latch on to the armor, detonating and causing a spall, which will injure any occupants inside. Firing a HESH round at the roof of the tank would lead it to stick and detonate, rather than waste an expensive artillery shell for it to ricochet.
However the commonman does not typically leave random tank shells lying around the house.
Well its time to use your local bagguette stash obtained from the bakery, and the oblong, soft sensual texture of a pristine bagguette is suited for such role.
Simply put plastic explosive scrounged from C4 explosive obtained by illegal means inside the hollowed out bagguette, a detonation method such as a detonation cap or a delayed base fuse inserted at the bottom, and voilà! You have now obtained a homemade HESH round. It is now time to defend yourself against the tyranny of the French government. Good luck.
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Therefore the only option would be to strike the metal behemoth with such speed and power, rendering it useless. What are your choices? Would you strike it with a sledgehammer with such speed demolishing its outer armor? No, you would simple be vaporized by its guns, especially with a trained crew operating the vehicle. Therefore you will use anti-tank rouns fired from anti-tank guns, such as a German Panzerhaubitze-2000. This solves the propellant system, the only question is the ammunition. You could attempt to destroy the tank with a kinetic penetration shell, however the Leclerc employs specialized armor to counter such threats, particularly in the front, the gun breech, and the gunner's sights. However, the Leclerc has a weakness. Its top side, the roof, has much thinner armor than the rest to solve its weight issues, but firing a standard anti-tank shell would be foolish as it would simply ricochet off. But I have a solution to this dillemma.
Take a gander at the HESH shell. The HESH is different from standard shells as it uses a malleable plastic explosive for its detonation phase, and when fired, will latch on to the armor, detonating and causing a spall, which will injure any occupants inside. Firing a HESH round at the roof of the tank would lead it to stick and detonate, rather than waste an expensive artillery shell for it to ricochet.
However the commonman does not typically leave random tank shells lying around the house.
Well its time to use your local bagguette stash obtained from the bakery, and the oblong, soft sensual texture of a pristine bagguette is suited for such role.
Simply put plastic explosive scrounged from C4 explosive obtained by illegal means inside the hollowed out bagguette, a detonation method such as a detonation cap or a delayed base fuse inserted at the bottom, and voilà! You have now obtained a homemade HESH round. It is now time to defend yourself against the tyranny of the French government. Good luck.
2023.02.17 02:20 CummyCatTheChad How to create a homemade explosive anti-tank shell from French Baguettes
Say, you were visiting a Polish site in the internet, trying to torrent NASCAR season 5 at 240p, however you were careless in protecting your home IP address, alerting your internet provider and the French government of your illegal activities. The natural response to this would be sending in a modern Leclerc main battle tank developed by Nexter systems, who provides weaponry to the French government. The Leclerc, a top class main battle tank armed with a GIAT CN120-26/52 120mm tank gun, and explosive shells ready to obliterate your poor home computer. You could try to defend against this metal behemoth trying to save your ill-armored personal computer from the fury of 40 tank rounds. Your computer, who was built without armor, could not possibly survive, except when armed with military grade homogeneous armor typically used in armored vehicles, however welding this to your system unit would impair its abilities to run the rest of the system and provide you with entertainment.
Therefore the only option would be to strike the metal behemoth with such speed and power, rendering it useless. What are your choices? Would you strike it with a sledgehammer with such speed demolishing its outer armor? No, you would simple be vaporized by its guns, especially with a trained crew operating the vehicle. Therefore you will use anti-tank rouns fired from anti-tank guns, such as a German Panzerhaubitze-2000. This solves the propellant system, the only question is the ammunition. You could attempt to destroy the tank with a kinetic penetration shell, however the Leclerc employs specialized armor to counter such threats, particularly in the front, the gun breech, and the gunner's sights. However, the Leclerc has a weakness. Its top side, the roof, has much thinner armor than the rest to solve its weight issues, but firing a standard anti-tank shell would be foolish as it would simply ricochet off. But I have a solution to this dillemma.
Take a gander at the HESH shell. The HESH is different from standard shells as it uses a malleable plastic explosive for its detonation phase, and when fired, will latch on to the armor, detonating and causing a spall, which will injure any occupants inside. Firing a HESH round at the roof of the tank would lead it to stick and detonate, rather than waste an expensive artillery shell for it to ricochet.
However the commonman does not typically leave random tank shells lying around the house.
Well its time to use your local bagguette stash obtained from the bakery, and the oblong, soft sensual texture of a pristine bagguette is suited for such role.
Simply put plastic explosive scrounged from C4 explosive obtained by illegal means inside the hollowed out bagguette, a detonation method such as a detonation cap or a delayed base fuse inserted at the bottom, and voilà! You have now obtained a homemade HESH round. It is now time to defend yourself against the tyranny of the French government. Simply load it into the German Panzerhaubitze-2000, and fire it at the French Leclerc.
Credits to the Bosnian Ape Society
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Therefore the only option would be to strike the metal behemoth with such speed and power, rendering it useless. What are your choices? Would you strike it with a sledgehammer with such speed demolishing its outer armor? No, you would simple be vaporized by its guns, especially with a trained crew operating the vehicle. Therefore you will use anti-tank rouns fired from anti-tank guns, such as a German Panzerhaubitze-2000. This solves the propellant system, the only question is the ammunition. You could attempt to destroy the tank with a kinetic penetration shell, however the Leclerc employs specialized armor to counter such threats, particularly in the front, the gun breech, and the gunner's sights. However, the Leclerc has a weakness. Its top side, the roof, has much thinner armor than the rest to solve its weight issues, but firing a standard anti-tank shell would be foolish as it would simply ricochet off. But I have a solution to this dillemma.
Take a gander at the HESH shell. The HESH is different from standard shells as it uses a malleable plastic explosive for its detonation phase, and when fired, will latch on to the armor, detonating and causing a spall, which will injure any occupants inside. Firing a HESH round at the roof of the tank would lead it to stick and detonate, rather than waste an expensive artillery shell for it to ricochet.
However the commonman does not typically leave random tank shells lying around the house.
Well its time to use your local bagguette stash obtained from the bakery, and the oblong, soft sensual texture of a pristine bagguette is suited for such role.
Simply put plastic explosive scrounged from C4 explosive obtained by illegal means inside the hollowed out bagguette, a detonation method such as a detonation cap or a delayed base fuse inserted at the bottom, and voilà! You have now obtained a homemade HESH round. It is now time to defend yourself against the tyranny of the French government. Simply load it into the German Panzerhaubitze-2000, and fire it at the French Leclerc.
Credits to the Bosnian Ape Society
2023.02.10 11:53 heyuiuitsme anyway, news from the other side ...
seems they've had to cancel their vacation to deal with this. oh, goodness. how terrible that must be for you. ahhhh.
also, it would seem that all the trust accounts have been frozen and they can't withdraw funds or "get paid". oh, goodness, how terrible that must be for you. ahhhh
and, also, additionally, as well. the consumer goods that you sold to the trust fund can't be located. so, gonna need to know where you shipped all that shit or a refund. and, also maybe an explanation of why you used your power in the conservatorship to sell a trust fund those items. that you never delivered. sounds like a legal issue. for you.
it sure is a good thing that y'all self made business people. i'm sure you can handle it. right.
how did this happen, i hear your annoying ass voice proclaim. well, see. do you remember back in 2009 when a restructure was needed cause y'all just about bankrupted everything. you know. four months out of solvency.
yeah, well. those sorts of things do need me to sign off on them. and, you know. i did it. out of loyalty to myself. cause, you know. again, that's all my shit you're guarding from me. so, that's when the companies became separate entities from the trust.
so, once they were divided out from you and able to self, you know. that shit all runs itself. funds itself, you know. there's no need of any supervision there, not from me. and, most espeically not from your dumb asses. but, you know. got that control away from you.
remember in the 2009 restructure. and, then i was like, where's my money and y'all were like, well, we've decided since this all happened that you're too irresponsible for this. right. i'm too irresponsible with money to have my own money and that's why you're necessary
'member. it was like 09/10ish. you said i was too irresponsible with money to have any say over my own money after you caused, well. you caused a near bankruptcy. that's what you did. that's why the restructure. nothing to do with me, all you
you did that on your own
oh, and then you tried to sell something that didn't belong to you to cover the losses. and, you know, during the ... well, you know what happened. that big ass mess y'all made and then had to contact me and get me involved.
the restructure. and, then i was like, hey do i get a seat on this board that oversees my shit, and you were like, no, heather. you're too irresponsible with money. and, i was like o fucking k. fine
and, then, i was. idk, i was pretty mad about it. you know. very fucking angry. understandably. anyone would be mad about that and that's a valid emotional response to that level of bullshit. and, that's around the time i started talked to kowaski
like, you know. just at the perfect time, when i was mad as hell at you, i found someone who also hates you and was willing to plot with me against you. so, it worked out. or, it's working out now
they did all that stuff, you know. in a closed court, to you protect my privacy. lol. i have none of that by the way. you know. a closed court with a gag order got a court order that allowed them to put hidden cameras in my house. without my knowledge or consent.
well, i found out cause they were taunting me about things i do in the privacy of my own home. or, you know, having psoriasis. like internet bullied me for having psoriasis when they're the ones that are obligated to provide medical care.
it's real fucking cute.
then, in 2017. you know, cause i was just like, fuck you. shove that fucking money up your fake fucking ass and leave me the hell alone. but, they didn't want to do that, so 17/18 they decided to involve themselves in my life in an even greater fashion
and, came up with this lie that would make things better. like, you know. just say you had anemsia cause that's what we told everyone already. and, i was like, ok. sure. i'll do that. and, then this. we're going to do this thing and then you'll ...
and, i went the fuck along with it. went all the way the fuck along with the whole fucking thing, but then, you know. they decided they couldn't trust me to not just tell the truth anyway and rescinded the offer.
and, then, you know, just for good measure, they stole my novella and bought out my rental and doubled my rent, all the while knowing that they're the ones who told me to quit my job and write a book and that they'd pay me.
cause you know, that's what the fuck you did
in your defense. i know you didn't realize i would be able to hire an attorney and pick that shit apart line by fucking line. i know you worked real hard to make sure i couldn't possibly afford to do that. and, i'm sorry you're such a failure at everything you set out to do
really, truly. i am
and, you know. you could have left me alone. it's all i asked. just leave me the fuck alone with your shit. but, you didn't want to do that. and, yes. granted, i did have a plan to fuck with you later. but, you know. you're the one that sped up the process
so, that's what happened to your time. cause suddenly you need more time. for what. time for what. what do you need time for
mother fucker, i want 30 years out of your ass. that's the only time i'm interested in. so, there's that
i mean, you can't possibly be thinking you're in the right here. but, that's exactly what your narcissistic ass thinks, isn't it. i mean, you deserve that, cause you're you and quite obviously there was some mistake at birth.
you deserve all that you stole, right. it should have been yours. yes? i mean, isn't that what you said. i don't understand. it should have been you, you deserve it. i mean, isn't that what you said. but... but.. but, i'm the rich one.
no. no you're very much not. you're just a thief. and, idk where the fuck you get off acting like you're the put upon here. ok. ain't nothing bad happened to you. everything you're dealing with, that's just the consequences of your own actions.
and, you can go ahead and shove those suicide threats up your ass, i don't give the first fucking fuck about you suddenly just wanting to die. i mean, is it so bad that you don't want to face what you've done. yeah, no doubt it is.
and, that's all i want. to watch you be held accountable for your actions. that's it.
that's what i'm looking for. you know, and if you kill yourself to escape, so fucking be it. i mean, there's plenty of you, most probably you all won't kill yourselves. most likely none of you will. just like to threaten it. you know
and, that shit used to make me fell bad, but now i'm just like, well, another broken promise cause you still up and walking around. so, yeah. save that shit for someone who gives a fuck about you
but, no. like, 2017/18, mark laid all this shit out, the lies that were going to be told, how y'all planned to cover it all up and i said, sure. yeah. totally. ok.
and, then ... oh, nevermind. fuck you heather. you'll probably just fuck it up. and, i was like, oh. i'm going to somehow fuck up being myself. and, yep. that was that. it's decided. you're not good enough, heather. you're just not good enough
i mean, that's what the fuck happened. and, i was just like. ok. keep digging that hole bitch.
i mean, that's what you did. isn't it. there were multiple opportunities for you to do the right thing, and each and every time, instead, you did the opposite of that. right. i mean, it's all been documented. mostly by you on your own social media accounts. the bullying, the taunting, the veiled threats.
that's all you. what you did. thought you were a badass, i guess. i mean, i ain't even the one hiding my ass from me.
and, now. more of my social views. i know you love that. today, pepe le pew. is that rape culture. well, first of all, according to google that cartoon debuted in 1945. so, a little bit ago. and, those were different times. i think we can accept that
and, it is just a cartoon of a skunk chasing a cat. stalking. stalking a cat and not taking no for an answer. and, as someone who's had a skunk stalking them for 30+ years, it's not romantic or cute to be stalked.
things that mark has done to keep me, but not, you know. fulfil any sort of relationship duties. like, cause you know, that's what he does. or, attempts. i don't even know half the time what the fuck, you know.
it's not even like he wants to be with me. he just wants me hung up on him and he likes to make promises he ain't got no intention of keeping, and also using me for ... whatever the fuck he can get. and, honestly a lot of it is as ridclous as the shit that was in the cartoons.
like, he may not have dropped an anvil on another potential suitor, but he sure the fuck ran the off. like, so i couldn't date or have any sort of regular life. and, i ain't even that bitch you with now. i mean, you know. like, other men do hit on me and are interested in having a real actual relationship
not only just having me live with them and pay their rent, which is her only single other relationship experience. living with some guy who only just wanted her around to pay the bills and would bring other girls over and tell her to pretend like they were just roommates.
like, that's literally the only other relationship she's ever fucking had. so, you know. other than hooking
there's all this talk about high value men and girls just the fuck like her saying how they deserve one. ok, yeah, sure. stankatwat. bitches who smell that bad probably don't deserve decent guys, so, you're right where you belong, you know, with mark
and, i'm perfectly fine on my own, i take care of me. i do for me. i don't need or want that. you know, and that's what they mean by "high value men" - just guys who'll buy 'em shit. like, sugarbaby is just another word for hooker. i mean, that's all the fuck that is.
and, i guess, you know. guys who don't want to put in the emotional effort or listen when you talk or idk, don't want to make an effort but want to be seen with some girls that's instahot, but looks like a pile of dogshit in real fucking life. i mean, also, wtf
oh, sure. her social media photos make her look ... passable. but, i mean, you know she ain't look like that. you fucking see her. what even is that. like, can you catch delusional thinking via osmosis.
cause the real deal don't look nothing like the photos.
and, in a relationship, that's who you're spending time with, you know. a real live person and not that fake ass shit they post on insta. which i don't even have. i mean, do you know the effort it takes for you to get your instagram posts to show up on one of my feeds.
nope, probably not. but, the lawyers been tracking it. you know. for the lawsuits. lol
anyway, the stalking isn't fun or cute. i don't like it. i don't like that he gets to use my likeness and personal life stories to make his life separate and far fucking better and more comfortable than mine, while he picks at me from afar. i don't like it at all.
and, not just that. use his considerable resources to steal my intellectual property so he can take ugly little stinky bitches on once in a lifetime vacays. multiple times. i ain't real fucking happy about that
but, i guess now at least he's with another skunk.
and, you ain't gonna tell me that our "paths" and "journey" and all the bullshit knowing god damn good and well that you stole from me. your whole ass path was paved by me. fuck you
i got phished at work once by it. had to redo the fucking training. but, in my defense, you know. i knew it looked phishy, but the manager at that place was such a fucking dumb ass, it also look exactly like something she'd do. and, it came in via the calendar app on outlook, and i was just like, wtf. and, then, yeah. like, the typos and shit, and the absolute absurdity of the request
that's what made me think it was her. lol. it wasn't a real phishing scam, just it testing. you know.
so fucking embarrassing
it was cause skanka asked me to do that, you know. when i took that job at her work to fuck with her. she got in a little snit cause she didn't like how i was spending my downtime. and, you know, since i was just there to fuck with her. most days i tried to dress sexy as hell, but just on the line of what's appropriate for work. you know. it's fun.
that's when i was doing my hair like belle in beauty and the beast. idk, i've never seen it. not the cartoon version or the live action, but that little side ponytail and curly on the ends. not everyday, but sometimes. when i didn't feel like doing my hair for work, which was pretty often
it was my go to i don't feel like doing my hair today look. and, when i knew i was going to wear my hair like that, i paired it with a particularly girly outfit. you know. and, anyway, she got pissy about something. what, what heather
oh, flirting with this real super young guy that worked there. he'd just come by and hang out in the office with me all day. she said she walked in there and we were practically laying on top of one another, but that's not true. not even close, that's a lie. but, whatever
and, how i sit in chairs drives her crazy. like a fucking cat. she just lays around like a god damn cat all fucking day. nah, she didn't say that. she don't swear. doesn't know how. extremely stupid people can't sarcasm or swear.
it's not nice to pick on the lesser beings, heather. but she started it.
well, when dealing with children it helps to get down on their level. right. isn't that how it's done
well, she's real fucking dumb. like retard level stupid. most literally. and, i like to say it in the pc kinda way cause you need to fucking know what i'm talking about, she's just a patsy and her iq is literally fucking 68. she's retarded. mentally handicapped. slooooooooowww. ok, and i know it ain't right to pick on retards
i know
but, she's just enough not retarded, you know. just smart enough to get by and bully others. and, she's a fucking bully. this retared ass inbred racist ass bully. so, you know. i got sick of her shit. anyone would. anyone would get fucking sick of that shit.
you know. she got family and friends in the small town local government, and only just cause she's involved with my conservatorship. she's the mailman. like, she's the one supposed to communicate with me about this shit, but she just pretends she's me and what the fuck evers. you know.
and, they know it go the fuck on. i mean, we've all known each other since childhood. a lot of us, for the most part. i mean, this is generations of our families fighting. so, you know. we all know who each other is and no one really fucking thinks she's me
but, they all let her pretend she is cause it's more convient for them. works out better for this that this racist little bully is running around pretending to be me than acutally just letting me be myself
cause they're all dumb ass racist little bullies. every fucking one of them. that's all the fuck they are.
but, they are little, so the like to start some shit and run away. oh, just you starting some shit with me and hiding behind a fucking cop waving your white flag. i love doing this with you, for fucking serious.
the whole ass police force in tennessee is pretty much made up of bullies. i mean, only just watch the news. you saw how they act in memphis. now nashville's got a video out. not as bad. no one died. just a cop being a fucking bully and one woman cop, the good trying to call in that it's the other cops fault and not really being allowed to do that.
new nashville cop video, check it out. and, well, this is what the fuck they're doing over here in east tn. and, not all of them. some of them are also very pissed off about it. we got like a cop war going on. that's a lotta fun. like, when they're fighting with each other. cause they are over here.
like, racists against non-racist. bully vrs good guys. but, they're still cops and acab
some of them just agree with me and think you need to be arrested. actually, what they said was that we all need to be fucking arrested and put the fuck away, but you're worse than me.
i mean, they're not my cops like how their's are their cops. like, the ones that agree with me are other people just trying to live their fucking lives and you being a shit head about it. like, seriously.
what. is. your. fucking. problem.
like, i mean, we're just over here trying to fucking ignore your ass and you won't even have that. why can't i just god damn ignore you. i've been ignoring you. why wouldn't you fucking have that. i tried to ignore you. i really fucking did. and, there's plenty of fucking examples of me just flat ignoring your ass.
up and to the point people in the know would say to me, hell, heather. you got the patience of job
the patience of job. that's what they say about me. what more the fuck do you want of me.
and, i know. i can hear your little ass over there crying you don't want nothing more. but, it's too damn bad. i asked you politely on more than one occasion to leave me alone. i asked you to leave me alone.
and, maybe you don't fucking start wars. how about that, you ever try that. you ever try not picking on people. like, how about you stop being a bully, cause you're still fucking doing it. you've not stopped with your bullshit
also, a lot of people in the community find me to be respectable. you know. like, admirable how i am. you know, with others. and, some people in the community see me as a role model and i'm sorry if that hurts your god damn feelings. and, idgaf
i am not stupid, nor am i unaware. who the fuck do you even think you're dealing with
but, anyway. so. if you ain't following some meme pages, you need to. that's were it gets spicy. like, you get their responses back. you know. what they're saying back to me, we share all that shit via memes. except i started doing this instead, i ain't got time to make memes
also, no nothing installed. not even ms. nothing. i don't even think i have paint on this computer. when i first get a computer, i strip all the software out of it, so it's only just what i use. and, then delete everything else. same with phones.
i only just install what i'll use. or, let stay installed from new. new computers need a lot of shit deleted from them. it's important for your computer to do that. only just have installed programs you actually use. delete everything else
and, then i used to do a, you know. like, disc defrag. first delete unnecessary files, then disc defrag. about once every three months. that needs to be done. it's for your hard drive. it will make it more efficient and it will last longer if you do that
the fucking kid, the oldest. i swear to god, all the fuck i did for her was it. all the fucking time jacking up a computer with some virus or some shit. like, every other fucking, she's jammed up a computer. just take it to mom. and, then people started to try to start bringing them to me, and i was like, oh. $100 please.
and, they were all like, no. ok. that's fine. what. it don't hurt my feelings to not fix your computer. that's your issue. i mean, i told you what i would charge you and it's fine if you don't want to pay it. i just won't do it. that's work. that's a fucking job. and, i don't run my ass round putting in re-install discs into your old ass pos for fucking free. no.
they were mad i wouldn't do that. but, who the fuck would. i ain't got time for that. and, also i don't even like you. $250. i don't even want you on the internet. so, never mind. $10,000.
then they didn't want me to work on their computer. and, here's where i'm stupid. like, i should have said yes and transferred all their files to a dvd-rw. that was the media of the time. but, i didn't. but, a lot of people who asked didn't have no files on their computers no way, and i don't want to do that for free.
you know. and, people kept asking and then getting mad when i asked for money. but, you know. i don't want to go over and even be around them much less spent at least one hour of my fucking time being around their ass. i don't want to be around you so it costs money to ask me to do favors for you.
and, you know. everyone that was actually my friend paid me for my time.
so, there is also that. why you asking me to work for free. where the fuck do you get off doing that. that's fucking work and we ain't friends. you steal from me now you want me to come over to your feces and flehm covered house and fix your fucking computer
you get to get the fuck out of here. i mean, for fucking serious. why the fuck would i do that.
no, you dumb fuck nasty ass little hoarder, i don't want to be anywhere the fuck around you. you disgust me. please stay away. for no amount of money will i come to your house and fix your computer. there's no amount of money on earth that will get me over there. it's probably just a set up in which you try to trap me in a room (again) or drug me or hit me in the head
i'm not so stupid as you that i'm going to be lured the fuck over to your house. ok
no way in fucking hell. that's exactly how much trust i have. you see.
like, everytime he says some shit, in my mind, i'm like, why so you can drug me. nah. pass. there ain't nothing on earth that would compel me to want to be alone with that man. mark. no. not hueser either. nah, steven's fine. he's just an idiot. he won't do anything.
but, those other two. idk. i can most definitely count on them to try to make a hidden cam porn. like, i already know, like they're going to. cause you know. they always do. make some kind of illicit porn of me. so, you know. i mean, no
i don't even know where the fuck you get the balls to ask. i mean, really. do you know how you've treated me, and then you know. come at me like everything's fine. well, it's not. everything is absolutely not ok or fine with how you treated me. and, you know. you could have left me alone.
but, now i want retribution. i was letting bygones be bygones and all of that. but, you didn't want to do that. you didn't seem to want to, cause you know. you was fucking with me. just pestering. pestering me when i asked you to stop.
and, you didn't stop. you just kept the fuck up with your bullshit, up to and including right this very fucking minute. like, right now. still you, with your bullshit. so. you know.
what
machiavellanism, and idgaf if that's what it's called. so. so fucking what. that doesn't offend me. i think that's great. i love it. wonderful. and, you know what. it's fun to bully bullies. why shouldn't i.
i should i not bully my bullies back. that's what's missing from schools today. bullies getting their asses kicked. yeah, run your fucking mouth. and, the teachers let it go on. the bullying. the real bullying. you know. until someone snaps. and, they've labeled the ones who fight back as the bullies
and, that ain't the bullies. but, that's what the schools zero tolerance policies do. they keep bullies from catching a slap and cause school shootings. you know, from the pent of rage over being bullied.
i mean, i got of offensive things to say. you know. about parkland. you know. those kids, the survivors, they admitted early on to bullying that kid that did it. and, they go around supporting gun control, and i've made my views on that before.
they're not "liberal"
but, anyway, we ain't on that today. anyway, they bullied that kid. they admitted, and now they're the victims. but, they're at least somewhat responsible for that. with their bulling. you called the guy school shooter in the halls. all y'all did. i mean, you didn't think that would have an effect on him
and, the teacher. nothing. didn't stop it. didn't make it stop. free speech, i guess. but, you know. he fight back, and what ... then, what. you know. i just think a broken nose in the hall is a slightly better outcome than a school shooting.
and, the kids that fight back ought not be punished. you know. some shit's fighting words and you need to expect it. you wanna talk that shit, you better be prepared to get hit. you know
there's a fight at a hockey game on the front page, some dumb ass kid and an old guy. you know. old guy did him a fucking favor. i promise you that word ain't ever coming out again. and, he needed it. you know. i mean, in a difference case scenario he'd be leaving with brain damage or worse.
tell me i'm lying.
i mean, there wasn't no school shooting in the 80's and we fought back then. used to be people would teach their kids to fight back, not just take it. like, boomers taught their kids to just take it. you know. not the way the boomers did, you know, they just everything
but, they want everyone else to just take their shit, and they raised that gen to do that. just take their fucking shit. that's why they don't like gen-x. they're the fighting ass argue about everything generation.
i mean, it was boomer parents giving out those participation trophies so they could feel vicariously though their children. they all wanna feel so special all the time, have their damn needs met while they fuck off everyone the fuck else
lord knows, boomers are the only ones that matter.
my youngest got a participation trophy once. it literally said "participation trophy" on it. i think it was a joke from the coaches but a requirement for the league that everyone gets a trophy. so, it literally said "participation trophy" on it. my kid could read, you know. and there's a lot of political talk in my house
you know. so, when we got to the car he made a joke, and was like well i participated and got a trophy then popped it down on the dash. and, then the kinetic energy from that motion popped the little guy off the top. it was pretty funny.
but, you know. that's a boomer thing. they started that. and, not for gen-x. no. gen-x gotta earn. any mother fucking thing gen-x got, trust me - they earned it. but, not boomer kids. you know. get whatever the fuck handed to them.
then, they wanna bitch about their shitty ass parenting all the fucking time. hell, you raised 'em
mark says he knows i'm not interested, and i didn't really read the rest as the first sentence pissed me off. like, dude. yeah. that's totally what i mean by i want my 30 years the fuck back. yeah, sure. man. what the fuck over.
you don't have no fucking right.
also, there's something in the corp world that makes them represent to the employees that profit is growth over last year or quarter. and, that's not how profit is configured. it's gross over cost. and, what you made last year has no bearing on that. it's certainly good to have an increase
but, profit increases aren't how profit is configured. why does there always have to be an increase, is it not enough to just make the same amount of profit as last year. i mean, corporations are beholden to make a profit. not an increase
and, those increases are coming at the expense of the people. both in costs for consumer items and also wages. for the past 20 or so years, since getting what i consider to be my first grown up job in 97. sure. i had a salary. you know. that's a grown up job.
wages have stayed pretty much exactly that. since 97. wages are roughly the same, but prices have gone way the fuck up. so, they're making money on both sides of that equation and it's at the expense of the working people
and, i don't wanna pay for that no more. and, i don't think i should have to. but, that's not how society works and, i mean, if this was tropicio people would have done revolted by now. guess it's a lot harder to platinum tropicio than it is to be president. tropicio residents are more prone to riot than americans
but, anytime, anyone wants to drag out some guillotines and pretend we're french, i'm all for it.
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also, it would seem that all the trust accounts have been frozen and they can't withdraw funds or "get paid". oh, goodness, how terrible that must be for you. ahhhh
and, also, additionally, as well. the consumer goods that you sold to the trust fund can't be located. so, gonna need to know where you shipped all that shit or a refund. and, also maybe an explanation of why you used your power in the conservatorship to sell a trust fund those items. that you never delivered. sounds like a legal issue. for you.
it sure is a good thing that y'all self made business people. i'm sure you can handle it. right.
how did this happen, i hear your annoying ass voice proclaim. well, see. do you remember back in 2009 when a restructure was needed cause y'all just about bankrupted everything. you know. four months out of solvency.
yeah, well. those sorts of things do need me to sign off on them. and, you know. i did it. out of loyalty to myself. cause, you know. again, that's all my shit you're guarding from me. so, that's when the companies became separate entities from the trust.
so, once they were divided out from you and able to self, you know. that shit all runs itself. funds itself, you know. there's no need of any supervision there, not from me. and, most espeically not from your dumb asses. but, you know. got that control away from you.
remember in the 2009 restructure. and, then i was like, where's my money and y'all were like, well, we've decided since this all happened that you're too irresponsible for this. right. i'm too irresponsible with money to have my own money and that's why you're necessary
'member. it was like 09/10ish. you said i was too irresponsible with money to have any say over my own money after you caused, well. you caused a near bankruptcy. that's what you did. that's why the restructure. nothing to do with me, all you
you did that on your own
oh, and then you tried to sell something that didn't belong to you to cover the losses. and, you know, during the ... well, you know what happened. that big ass mess y'all made and then had to contact me and get me involved.
the restructure. and, then i was like, hey do i get a seat on this board that oversees my shit, and you were like, no, heather. you're too irresponsible with money. and, i was like o fucking k. fine
and, then, i was. idk, i was pretty mad about it. you know. very fucking angry. understandably. anyone would be mad about that and that's a valid emotional response to that level of bullshit. and, that's around the time i started talked to kowaski
like, you know. just at the perfect time, when i was mad as hell at you, i found someone who also hates you and was willing to plot with me against you. so, it worked out. or, it's working out now
they did all that stuff, you know. in a closed court, to you protect my privacy. lol. i have none of that by the way. you know. a closed court with a gag order got a court order that allowed them to put hidden cameras in my house. without my knowledge or consent.
well, i found out cause they were taunting me about things i do in the privacy of my own home. or, you know, having psoriasis. like internet bullied me for having psoriasis when they're the ones that are obligated to provide medical care.
it's real fucking cute.
then, in 2017. you know, cause i was just like, fuck you. shove that fucking money up your fake fucking ass and leave me the hell alone. but, they didn't want to do that, so 17/18 they decided to involve themselves in my life in an even greater fashion
and, came up with this lie that would make things better. like, you know. just say you had anemsia cause that's what we told everyone already. and, i was like, ok. sure. i'll do that. and, then this. we're going to do this thing and then you'll ...
and, i went the fuck along with it. went all the way the fuck along with the whole fucking thing, but then, you know. they decided they couldn't trust me to not just tell the truth anyway and rescinded the offer.
and, then, you know, just for good measure, they stole my novella and bought out my rental and doubled my rent, all the while knowing that they're the ones who told me to quit my job and write a book and that they'd pay me.
cause you know, that's what the fuck you did
in your defense. i know you didn't realize i would be able to hire an attorney and pick that shit apart line by fucking line. i know you worked real hard to make sure i couldn't possibly afford to do that. and, i'm sorry you're such a failure at everything you set out to do
really, truly. i am
and, you know. you could have left me alone. it's all i asked. just leave me the fuck alone with your shit. but, you didn't want to do that. and, yes. granted, i did have a plan to fuck with you later. but, you know. you're the one that sped up the process
so, that's what happened to your time. cause suddenly you need more time. for what. time for what. what do you need time for
mother fucker, i want 30 years out of your ass. that's the only time i'm interested in. so, there's that
i mean, you can't possibly be thinking you're in the right here. but, that's exactly what your narcissistic ass thinks, isn't it. i mean, you deserve that, cause you're you and quite obviously there was some mistake at birth.
you deserve all that you stole, right. it should have been yours. yes? i mean, isn't that what you said. i don't understand. it should have been you, you deserve it. i mean, isn't that what you said. but... but.. but, i'm the rich one.
no. no you're very much not. you're just a thief. and, idk where the fuck you get off acting like you're the put upon here. ok. ain't nothing bad happened to you. everything you're dealing with, that's just the consequences of your own actions.
and, you can go ahead and shove those suicide threats up your ass, i don't give the first fucking fuck about you suddenly just wanting to die. i mean, is it so bad that you don't want to face what you've done. yeah, no doubt it is.
and, that's all i want. to watch you be held accountable for your actions. that's it.
that's what i'm looking for. you know, and if you kill yourself to escape, so fucking be it. i mean, there's plenty of you, most probably you all won't kill yourselves. most likely none of you will. just like to threaten it. you know
and, that shit used to make me fell bad, but now i'm just like, well, another broken promise cause you still up and walking around. so, yeah. save that shit for someone who gives a fuck about you
but, no. like, 2017/18, mark laid all this shit out, the lies that were going to be told, how y'all planned to cover it all up and i said, sure. yeah. totally. ok.
and, then ... oh, nevermind. fuck you heather. you'll probably just fuck it up. and, i was like, oh. i'm going to somehow fuck up being myself. and, yep. that was that. it's decided. you're not good enough, heather. you're just not good enough
i mean, that's what the fuck happened. and, i was just like. ok. keep digging that hole bitch.
i mean, that's what you did. isn't it. there were multiple opportunities for you to do the right thing, and each and every time, instead, you did the opposite of that. right. i mean, it's all been documented. mostly by you on your own social media accounts. the bullying, the taunting, the veiled threats.
that's all you. what you did. thought you were a badass, i guess. i mean, i ain't even the one hiding my ass from me.
and, now. more of my social views. i know you love that. today, pepe le pew. is that rape culture. well, first of all, according to google that cartoon debuted in 1945. so, a little bit ago. and, those were different times. i think we can accept that
and, it is just a cartoon of a skunk chasing a cat. stalking. stalking a cat and not taking no for an answer. and, as someone who's had a skunk stalking them for 30+ years, it's not romantic or cute to be stalked.
things that mark has done to keep me, but not, you know. fulfil any sort of relationship duties. like, cause you know, that's what he does. or, attempts. i don't even know half the time what the fuck, you know.
it's not even like he wants to be with me. he just wants me hung up on him and he likes to make promises he ain't got no intention of keeping, and also using me for ... whatever the fuck he can get. and, honestly a lot of it is as ridclous as the shit that was in the cartoons.
like, he may not have dropped an anvil on another potential suitor, but he sure the fuck ran the off. like, so i couldn't date or have any sort of regular life. and, i ain't even that bitch you with now. i mean, you know. like, other men do hit on me and are interested in having a real actual relationship
not only just having me live with them and pay their rent, which is her only single other relationship experience. living with some guy who only just wanted her around to pay the bills and would bring other girls over and tell her to pretend like they were just roommates.
like, that's literally the only other relationship she's ever fucking had. so, you know. other than hooking
there's all this talk about high value men and girls just the fuck like her saying how they deserve one. ok, yeah, sure. stankatwat. bitches who smell that bad probably don't deserve decent guys, so, you're right where you belong, you know, with mark
and, i'm perfectly fine on my own, i take care of me. i do for me. i don't need or want that. you know, and that's what they mean by "high value men" - just guys who'll buy 'em shit. like, sugarbaby is just another word for hooker. i mean, that's all the fuck that is.
and, i guess, you know. guys who don't want to put in the emotional effort or listen when you talk or idk, don't want to make an effort but want to be seen with some girls that's instahot, but looks like a pile of dogshit in real fucking life. i mean, also, wtf
oh, sure. her social media photos make her look ... passable. but, i mean, you know she ain't look like that. you fucking see her. what even is that. like, can you catch delusional thinking via osmosis.
cause the real deal don't look nothing like the photos.
and, in a relationship, that's who you're spending time with, you know. a real live person and not that fake ass shit they post on insta. which i don't even have. i mean, do you know the effort it takes for you to get your instagram posts to show up on one of my feeds.
nope, probably not. but, the lawyers been tracking it. you know. for the lawsuits. lol
anyway, the stalking isn't fun or cute. i don't like it. i don't like that he gets to use my likeness and personal life stories to make his life separate and far fucking better and more comfortable than mine, while he picks at me from afar. i don't like it at all.
and, not just that. use his considerable resources to steal my intellectual property so he can take ugly little stinky bitches on once in a lifetime vacays. multiple times. i ain't real fucking happy about that
but, i guess now at least he's with another skunk.
and, you ain't gonna tell me that our "paths" and "journey" and all the bullshit knowing god damn good and well that you stole from me. your whole ass path was paved by me. fuck you
i got phished at work once by it. had to redo the fucking training. but, in my defense, you know. i knew it looked phishy, but the manager at that place was such a fucking dumb ass, it also look exactly like something she'd do. and, it came in via the calendar app on outlook, and i was just like, wtf. and, then, yeah. like, the typos and shit, and the absolute absurdity of the request
that's what made me think it was her. lol. it wasn't a real phishing scam, just it testing. you know.
so fucking embarrassing
it was cause skanka asked me to do that, you know. when i took that job at her work to fuck with her. she got in a little snit cause she didn't like how i was spending my downtime. and, you know, since i was just there to fuck with her. most days i tried to dress sexy as hell, but just on the line of what's appropriate for work. you know. it's fun.
that's when i was doing my hair like belle in beauty and the beast. idk, i've never seen it. not the cartoon version or the live action, but that little side ponytail and curly on the ends. not everyday, but sometimes. when i didn't feel like doing my hair for work, which was pretty often
it was my go to i don't feel like doing my hair today look. and, when i knew i was going to wear my hair like that, i paired it with a particularly girly outfit. you know. and, anyway, she got pissy about something. what, what heather
oh, flirting with this real super young guy that worked there. he'd just come by and hang out in the office with me all day. she said she walked in there and we were practically laying on top of one another, but that's not true. not even close, that's a lie. but, whatever
and, how i sit in chairs drives her crazy. like a fucking cat. she just lays around like a god damn cat all fucking day. nah, she didn't say that. she don't swear. doesn't know how. extremely stupid people can't sarcasm or swear.
it's not nice to pick on the lesser beings, heather. but she started it.
well, when dealing with children it helps to get down on their level. right. isn't that how it's done
well, she's real fucking dumb. like retard level stupid. most literally. and, i like to say it in the pc kinda way cause you need to fucking know what i'm talking about, she's just a patsy and her iq is literally fucking 68. she's retarded. mentally handicapped. slooooooooowww. ok, and i know it ain't right to pick on retards
i know
but, she's just enough not retarded, you know. just smart enough to get by and bully others. and, she's a fucking bully. this retared ass inbred racist ass bully. so, you know. i got sick of her shit. anyone would. anyone would get fucking sick of that shit.
you know. she got family and friends in the small town local government, and only just cause she's involved with my conservatorship. she's the mailman. like, she's the one supposed to communicate with me about this shit, but she just pretends she's me and what the fuck evers. you know.
and, they know it go the fuck on. i mean, we've all known each other since childhood. a lot of us, for the most part. i mean, this is generations of our families fighting. so, you know. we all know who each other is and no one really fucking thinks she's me
but, they all let her pretend she is cause it's more convient for them. works out better for this that this racist little bully is running around pretending to be me than acutally just letting me be myself
cause they're all dumb ass racist little bullies. every fucking one of them. that's all the fuck they are.
but, they are little, so the like to start some shit and run away. oh, just you starting some shit with me and hiding behind a fucking cop waving your white flag. i love doing this with you, for fucking serious.
the whole ass police force in tennessee is pretty much made up of bullies. i mean, only just watch the news. you saw how they act in memphis. now nashville's got a video out. not as bad. no one died. just a cop being a fucking bully and one woman cop, the good trying to call in that it's the other cops fault and not really being allowed to do that.
new nashville cop video, check it out. and, well, this is what the fuck they're doing over here in east tn. and, not all of them. some of them are also very pissed off about it. we got like a cop war going on. that's a lotta fun. like, when they're fighting with each other. cause they are over here.
like, racists against non-racist. bully vrs good guys. but, they're still cops and acab
some of them just agree with me and think you need to be arrested. actually, what they said was that we all need to be fucking arrested and put the fuck away, but you're worse than me.
i mean, they're not my cops like how their's are their cops. like, the ones that agree with me are other people just trying to live their fucking lives and you being a shit head about it. like, seriously.
what. is. your. fucking. problem.
like, i mean, we're just over here trying to fucking ignore your ass and you won't even have that. why can't i just god damn ignore you. i've been ignoring you. why wouldn't you fucking have that. i tried to ignore you. i really fucking did. and, there's plenty of fucking examples of me just flat ignoring your ass.
up and to the point people in the know would say to me, hell, heather. you got the patience of job
the patience of job. that's what they say about me. what more the fuck do you want of me.
and, i know. i can hear your little ass over there crying you don't want nothing more. but, it's too damn bad. i asked you politely on more than one occasion to leave me alone. i asked you to leave me alone.
and, maybe you don't fucking start wars. how about that, you ever try that. you ever try not picking on people. like, how about you stop being a bully, cause you're still fucking doing it. you've not stopped with your bullshit
also, a lot of people in the community find me to be respectable. you know. like, admirable how i am. you know, with others. and, some people in the community see me as a role model and i'm sorry if that hurts your god damn feelings. and, idgaf
i am not stupid, nor am i unaware. who the fuck do you even think you're dealing with
but, anyway. so. if you ain't following some meme pages, you need to. that's were it gets spicy. like, you get their responses back. you know. what they're saying back to me, we share all that shit via memes. except i started doing this instead, i ain't got time to make memes
also, no nothing installed. not even ms. nothing. i don't even think i have paint on this computer. when i first get a computer, i strip all the software out of it, so it's only just what i use. and, then delete everything else. same with phones.
i only just install what i'll use. or, let stay installed from new. new computers need a lot of shit deleted from them. it's important for your computer to do that. only just have installed programs you actually use. delete everything else
and, then i used to do a, you know. like, disc defrag. first delete unnecessary files, then disc defrag. about once every three months. that needs to be done. it's for your hard drive. it will make it more efficient and it will last longer if you do that
the fucking kid, the oldest. i swear to god, all the fuck i did for her was it. all the fucking time jacking up a computer with some virus or some shit. like, every other fucking, she's jammed up a computer. just take it to mom. and, then people started to try to start bringing them to me, and i was like, oh. $100 please.
and, they were all like, no. ok. that's fine. what. it don't hurt my feelings to not fix your computer. that's your issue. i mean, i told you what i would charge you and it's fine if you don't want to pay it. i just won't do it. that's work. that's a fucking job. and, i don't run my ass round putting in re-install discs into your old ass pos for fucking free. no.
they were mad i wouldn't do that. but, who the fuck would. i ain't got time for that. and, also i don't even like you. $250. i don't even want you on the internet. so, never mind. $10,000.
then they didn't want me to work on their computer. and, here's where i'm stupid. like, i should have said yes and transferred all their files to a dvd-rw. that was the media of the time. but, i didn't. but, a lot of people who asked didn't have no files on their computers no way, and i don't want to do that for free.
you know. and, people kept asking and then getting mad when i asked for money. but, you know. i don't want to go over and even be around them much less spent at least one hour of my fucking time being around their ass. i don't want to be around you so it costs money to ask me to do favors for you.
and, you know. everyone that was actually my friend paid me for my time.
so, there is also that. why you asking me to work for free. where the fuck do you get off doing that. that's fucking work and we ain't friends. you steal from me now you want me to come over to your feces and flehm covered house and fix your fucking computer
you get to get the fuck out of here. i mean, for fucking serious. why the fuck would i do that.
no, you dumb fuck nasty ass little hoarder, i don't want to be anywhere the fuck around you. you disgust me. please stay away. for no amount of money will i come to your house and fix your computer. there's no amount of money on earth that will get me over there. it's probably just a set up in which you try to trap me in a room (again) or drug me or hit me in the head
i'm not so stupid as you that i'm going to be lured the fuck over to your house. ok
no way in fucking hell. that's exactly how much trust i have. you see.
like, everytime he says some shit, in my mind, i'm like, why so you can drug me. nah. pass. there ain't nothing on earth that would compel me to want to be alone with that man. mark. no. not hueser either. nah, steven's fine. he's just an idiot. he won't do anything.
but, those other two. idk. i can most definitely count on them to try to make a hidden cam porn. like, i already know, like they're going to. cause you know. they always do. make some kind of illicit porn of me. so, you know. i mean, no
i don't even know where the fuck you get the balls to ask. i mean, really. do you know how you've treated me, and then you know. come at me like everything's fine. well, it's not. everything is absolutely not ok or fine with how you treated me. and, you know. you could have left me alone.
but, now i want retribution. i was letting bygones be bygones and all of that. but, you didn't want to do that. you didn't seem to want to, cause you know. you was fucking with me. just pestering. pestering me when i asked you to stop.
and, you didn't stop. you just kept the fuck up with your bullshit, up to and including right this very fucking minute. like, right now. still you, with your bullshit. so. you know.
what
machiavellanism, and idgaf if that's what it's called. so. so fucking what. that doesn't offend me. i think that's great. i love it. wonderful. and, you know what. it's fun to bully bullies. why shouldn't i.
i should i not bully my bullies back. that's what's missing from schools today. bullies getting their asses kicked. yeah, run your fucking mouth. and, the teachers let it go on. the bullying. the real bullying. you know. until someone snaps. and, they've labeled the ones who fight back as the bullies
and, that ain't the bullies. but, that's what the schools zero tolerance policies do. they keep bullies from catching a slap and cause school shootings. you know, from the pent of rage over being bullied.
i mean, i got of offensive things to say. you know. about parkland. you know. those kids, the survivors, they admitted early on to bullying that kid that did it. and, they go around supporting gun control, and i've made my views on that before.
they're not "liberal"
but, anyway, we ain't on that today. anyway, they bullied that kid. they admitted, and now they're the victims. but, they're at least somewhat responsible for that. with their bulling. you called the guy school shooter in the halls. all y'all did. i mean, you didn't think that would have an effect on him
and, the teacher. nothing. didn't stop it. didn't make it stop. free speech, i guess. but, you know. he fight back, and what ... then, what. you know. i just think a broken nose in the hall is a slightly better outcome than a school shooting.
and, the kids that fight back ought not be punished. you know. some shit's fighting words and you need to expect it. you wanna talk that shit, you better be prepared to get hit. you know
there's a fight at a hockey game on the front page, some dumb ass kid and an old guy. you know. old guy did him a fucking favor. i promise you that word ain't ever coming out again. and, he needed it. you know. i mean, in a difference case scenario he'd be leaving with brain damage or worse.
tell me i'm lying.
i mean, there wasn't no school shooting in the 80's and we fought back then. used to be people would teach their kids to fight back, not just take it. like, boomers taught their kids to just take it. you know. not the way the boomers did, you know, they just everything
but, they want everyone else to just take their shit, and they raised that gen to do that. just take their fucking shit. that's why they don't like gen-x. they're the fighting ass argue about everything generation.
i mean, it was boomer parents giving out those participation trophies so they could feel vicariously though their children. they all wanna feel so special all the time, have their damn needs met while they fuck off everyone the fuck else
lord knows, boomers are the only ones that matter.
my youngest got a participation trophy once. it literally said "participation trophy" on it. i think it was a joke from the coaches but a requirement for the league that everyone gets a trophy. so, it literally said "participation trophy" on it. my kid could read, you know. and there's a lot of political talk in my house
you know. so, when we got to the car he made a joke, and was like well i participated and got a trophy then popped it down on the dash. and, then the kinetic energy from that motion popped the little guy off the top. it was pretty funny.
but, you know. that's a boomer thing. they started that. and, not for gen-x. no. gen-x gotta earn. any mother fucking thing gen-x got, trust me - they earned it. but, not boomer kids. you know. get whatever the fuck handed to them.
then, they wanna bitch about their shitty ass parenting all the fucking time. hell, you raised 'em
mark says he knows i'm not interested, and i didn't really read the rest as the first sentence pissed me off. like, dude. yeah. that's totally what i mean by i want my 30 years the fuck back. yeah, sure. man. what the fuck over.
you don't have no fucking right.
also, there's something in the corp world that makes them represent to the employees that profit is growth over last year or quarter. and, that's not how profit is configured. it's gross over cost. and, what you made last year has no bearing on that. it's certainly good to have an increase
but, profit increases aren't how profit is configured. why does there always have to be an increase, is it not enough to just make the same amount of profit as last year. i mean, corporations are beholden to make a profit. not an increase
and, those increases are coming at the expense of the people. both in costs for consumer items and also wages. for the past 20 or so years, since getting what i consider to be my first grown up job in 97. sure. i had a salary. you know. that's a grown up job.
wages have stayed pretty much exactly that. since 97. wages are roughly the same, but prices have gone way the fuck up. so, they're making money on both sides of that equation and it's at the expense of the working people
and, i don't wanna pay for that no more. and, i don't think i should have to. but, that's not how society works and, i mean, if this was tropicio people would have done revolted by now. guess it's a lot harder to platinum tropicio than it is to be president. tropicio residents are more prone to riot than americans
but, anytime, anyone wants to drag out some guillotines and pretend we're french, i'm all for it.
2023.02.10 06:31 ZypherofWind Having problems with Photoelectric effect.
For awhile, I thought that I had most of the concepts down, but this photoelectric effect problem in particular has been making my head hurt for hours now.
A sample of gold is exposed to a 184 nm light source, resulting in electrons being ejected with a kinetic energy of 265x10^ -19 J.
a) What is the max threshold wavelength in nm of photons to produce photoelectric effect
b) What is the minimum threshold frequency in Hz
c) What is the work function of gold?
I believe I was able to solve for work function by setting the work function equal to planks constant times speed of light over given wavelength minus kinetic energy ( Φ =h*(c/ λ )-Ke), which is 8.1464x10^-19, but even then the number doesn't seem right. I honestly do not know what to do. I read my textbook chapter multiple times and scoured the internet but I cannot find anything to help this problem. I almost feel you need to solve the steps in reverse.
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A sample of gold is exposed to a 184 nm light source, resulting in electrons being ejected with a kinetic energy of 265x10^ -19 J.
a) What is the max threshold wavelength in nm of photons to produce photoelectric effect
b) What is the minimum threshold frequency in Hz
c) What is the work function of gold?
I believe I was able to solve for work function by setting the work function equal to planks constant times speed of light over given wavelength minus kinetic energy ( Φ =h*(c/ λ )-Ke), which is 8.1464x10^-19, but even then the number doesn't seem right. I honestly do not know what to do. I read my textbook chapter multiple times and scoured the internet but I cannot find anything to help this problem. I almost feel you need to solve the steps in reverse.
2023.02.06 03:27 kem81 So... We Aren't Alone? (part 16)
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The next morning, when Mira woke up, a pair of Flx’usri helped her to stand and move to a shower stall. Mira was still a little unsteady, so they were there to ensure she didn’t hurt herself. She noticed a few new scars, but they looked years old instead of days old; a testament to advanced alien medicine. The IV had been removed sometime while she slept and even the bruising that had been nearly black when she woke was in the last stages of green. They guided her back to the bed after helping her dress in clean clothes and a familiar face came in shortly after carrying in breakfast.
“Good morning, Povin. It’s good to see you.”
“It’s good to see you awake too. You had us all very worried.” He set the plate down on a tray similar to one you would see in any hospital back on Earth.
“Thank you. I can imagine. That’s never happened before…. At least to me. I know that historically it’s possible. I just never thought I was a berserker.” They had a brief conversation on what a berserker was similar to what she had with Garda the night before.
A few hours after she finished lunch, Vebi and Fennis came into the Med Bay to talk to her. Mira was in her own enclosed room so that she wouldn’t have to wear her atmosphere belt while she recovered. They settled into seats near the bed and Vebi set up a small camera so that Ra'lee would be able to get caught up once she woke up.
They spoke briefly of what happened to her and why she thought that could have happened. Vebi brought up Mira’s records with them and saw that Garda had put in a message to a Quix medical staff member on another ship. “It looks like Garda is seeking answers from the Quix. Hopefully they can offer some help in that regard. We do want to let you know that the air guns you made were a great help. As a result, no Acili were greatly harmed. They will, of course, be looking into kinetic weapons for themselves in the future. Such a thing will help them greatly on their home world as well. I imagine that will be something they will individually be looking to receive in trade from your Earth govements.”
“I’m glad to hear that.” Mira replied.
“Yes. We were even able to take many prisoners.” Fennis grinned.
“How do you handle prisoners?” Mira asked.
“It varies. We will see what information we can collect from them. We are usually unable to get a whole lot of information due to not being able to force them to speak.” Vebi replied. “If we are unable to get information before returning to the Federation capitol, they will be turned over to the holding facility. Sometimes we do prisoner exchanges, but it seems they have little cares for who we capture.”
“So you aren’t allowed to force them to speak to you?” Mira asked.
“I don’t understand. They either chose to speak or they do not.” Fennis replied.
“Ok. That’s going to be another talk between the four of us and it will probably get real uncomfortable for all of us.” Mira sighed. “Let’s talk about what we were going to talk about before we were so rudely interrupted.”
“Alright. And then I want to return to this prisoner talk.” Vebi replied.
Mira nodded agreement. “Alright. So, my understanding is that at one time or another each of your species has visited Earth, yet Black Hole had no records of humans or Earth, and the Federation Council seemed to find information about humans to be new. Why is that?”
Vebi raised a tentacle, “I can answer that. You may have noticed that our species classing system may feel odd to you. We have Drala who come from a lighter gravity planet and Acili who come from a heavier gravity planet on the same ship and both are classified as black class.” Mira nodded agreement. “Our classification is not based on how pleasant a planet’s atmosphere or weather is to all other species. Instead, it is based on how many can step foot on that planet without some aspect of the planet causing or nearly causing death. When most species step foot on any of our planets, it’s usually the plant-life that can cause such reactions from our counterparts that it is just too dangerous for them to come to us. However any of us, including you, could step foot on any of the other home worlds without out issues. You can eat nearly any of our foods without issue and the same for us for your foods. They could not do this. Even cooked, our foods could kill them. As you can see by my sash and Fennis’ uniform, we have a black circle around the Federation logo to let other members of the Federation know whether or not they can eat with us or visit our planets. I believe Black Hole has a blue circle around their Federation logo. Blue is the most plentiful. We can talk about the other colors later. As for why we knew about your planet but a blue class ship did not, it is more due to not having our information integrated enough. Each color designation shares networks and we have felt that getting what we feel is necessary information about other colors is too filled with inconveniences. Don’t misunderstand, it is absolutely possible to get such information, but it is by ship instead of a blanket request. Some take the time to make the requests, and some don’t. Some ships don’t have the necessary means to hold all of the information, so they carry only the information the need.
“Any black class ship would know all about your planet, but a ship from a different color designation may or may not. Many have no need to know about black class planets, so they don’t request the information.”
“That seems really dumb.” Mira replied.
Fennis chuckled. “I agree. We had to take on a lot of extra memory storage because we refused to not know anything. To be fair, if we were a class or two smaller in ship size, we would have only taking on the information for the most prevalent color classes. A council member would also be dependent on how large of a memory storage device they possessed and they don’t have the luxury of carrying it around with them on such a large vessel.”
“Wait, my portable was connected to….”
“The ship’s databases.” Vebi interrupted. “You were only connected with what the ship your portable was connected to.”
“I just assumed you had a galactic internet.” Mira replied.
“No. It would be nearly impossible to maintain such a large connection for information like that. We have message relay stations, which is how we are able to contact other ships or people and then you have a ship-wide internet.” Fennis explained.
“How was Z’natla able to make changes to the ship? She was able to make a program to duplicate sounds that were played on this ship while hers was so far away.”
“During communication, you are able to share files back and forth. She was able to use that connection to access our networks which she was given permission to do so.” Vebi explained.
“Oh. Like a hacker.” This word wasn’t translated properly yet so Mira had to explain what that meant. After having the explanation, they agreed that it was like a hacker.
“Ok. Let’s start with your people, Admiral Vebi. On Earth, they care called octopus. Plural is sometimes called Octopi or Octopuses. Both are considered correct, however I’ve always preferred Octopi. They are intelligent, but they are not considered sapient.”
“Devolution was always a possibility.” Vebi replied.
“I…. I don’t even know how to say this, so I’m going to say it plainly and badly. For many people, they are also considered food.”
Vebi patted her knee. “It’s ok. When they were left there, we expected that some may be eaten by predators. After devolving, they would no longer be considered Flx’usri. My people are not going to take offence to this. However, these are children of the condemned many hundreds of generations removed, so I would like an opportunity to visit with one to see if you simply can’t understand their language. We’ll cross that reef when we get to it. Don’t worry that I or my people will take offence. They were abandoned to whatever fate would do to them for their crimes.”
“There’s more, Admiral. Humans are very…..imaginative in our fantasy writings. Your people may get propositioned for relationships.”
Vebi blinked rapidly a few times. “That’s never happened before. My people are considered quite ugly by galactic standards. I don’t know how to even take that.” Fennis covered his mouth to attempt to stifle laughter. “I don’t even think my people are even remotely compatible with yours.”
Mira was red-faced from this conversation. “Yeah….. I don’t think that is going to matter to some people. I just wanted to warn you ahead of time. Humans are a bit different……” She looked over to Fennis. “Don’t think you’re going to be safe either.” She looked to the camera. “You either.” Mira sighed. “I think that’s the most awkward of the talks. Let’s move on to your people, Lieutenant Commander Fennis.” She brought up a few images on her portable to show him. “Your people look a lot like what we would call Gargoyles. At one point, they were added to buildings because it was thought that they would protect the people inside the building from evil. Though, when I saw your people flying, you look like something else.” She moved to a picture of a dragon in flight. “These are what we call dragons. Kind of similar to your name of Drala. I can see how if I had seen one of your people in flight where I had nothing to compare size to, I might think you could be so large up close. I just don’t know how your people would have been able to fly on my planet. Our gravity is too high for you.”
“We could have glided. So long as we weren’t trying to use any speed, the atmospheric belts we use, which were closer to harnesses back when we first explored your planet, would have been able to keep up with our movements if we only glided. Any faster than that, and you are correct, we would be affected by your gravity and likely crushed.”
“I suppose that makes sense. I’ll have to trust you on that one considering my people don’t have wings. Mainly, I didn’t want you to get offended by someone calling you a gargoyle or dragon or being surprised by the comparison.”
“I think my people will be alright. And I’ll be sure to remind them to mind their tempers in case they want to fight a human for some reason.”
Mira turned to the camera. “That leaves the Acili. Many years ago, a blurry photograph of one of your people was publicized. The name that was given to this new and strange creature was Bigfoot. Honestly, I have no idea why that was the name they came up with. At any rate, my people believed these Bigfeet could be a lost ancestor of ours from our past mutations to become humans. A branch that didn’t die out. There are people that hunt for your people. Their intention would be to kill so that they could then bring a bigfoot in to prove their existence. I know. It’s dumb. Some would want to trap, and others would just want to take pictures and observe as if you were a new animal. I’m sorry. I’m not intending to offend. It’s how we react to discovering something new on our planet when we thought we had already discovered everything. Some react with fear and others react with curiosity. Unfortunately, that curiosity can take really different forms and I didn’t want you to be blind sided by it either.
“However, I do think that the reaction to the Flx’usri will be the one worth worrying about the most. To know that we were a prison planet for your people may not be viewed in a good light. Honestly, we kind of did the same thing to one of our continents. It happened long enough ago that those people aren’t viewed badly, but the ones that put them there are sometimes reminded of what they did. I just can’t say how humans will react to knowing, so it’s really your choice on if you want to admit that or not. Maybe pretend to be surprised? Ask to meet an octopus and then make your decision then? It can always be ‘strange and wonderous’ to you. And you have no idea how this happened.” Mira shrugged.
“That seems sound advice.”
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This seemed like a good place to end for now. As always, upvotes and comments help me to know you're still interested. We'll get into the prisoners next chapter. Muahahahaha!
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The next morning, when Mira woke up, a pair of Flx’usri helped her to stand and move to a shower stall. Mira was still a little unsteady, so they were there to ensure she didn’t hurt herself. She noticed a few new scars, but they looked years old instead of days old; a testament to advanced alien medicine. The IV had been removed sometime while she slept and even the bruising that had been nearly black when she woke was in the last stages of green. They guided her back to the bed after helping her dress in clean clothes and a familiar face came in shortly after carrying in breakfast.
“Good morning, Povin. It’s good to see you.”
“It’s good to see you awake too. You had us all very worried.” He set the plate down on a tray similar to one you would see in any hospital back on Earth.
“Thank you. I can imagine. That’s never happened before…. At least to me. I know that historically it’s possible. I just never thought I was a berserker.” They had a brief conversation on what a berserker was similar to what she had with Garda the night before.
A few hours after she finished lunch, Vebi and Fennis came into the Med Bay to talk to her. Mira was in her own enclosed room so that she wouldn’t have to wear her atmosphere belt while she recovered. They settled into seats near the bed and Vebi set up a small camera so that Ra'lee would be able to get caught up once she woke up.
They spoke briefly of what happened to her and why she thought that could have happened. Vebi brought up Mira’s records with them and saw that Garda had put in a message to a Quix medical staff member on another ship. “It looks like Garda is seeking answers from the Quix. Hopefully they can offer some help in that regard. We do want to let you know that the air guns you made were a great help. As a result, no Acili were greatly harmed. They will, of course, be looking into kinetic weapons for themselves in the future. Such a thing will help them greatly on their home world as well. I imagine that will be something they will individually be looking to receive in trade from your Earth govements.”
“I’m glad to hear that.” Mira replied.
“Yes. We were even able to take many prisoners.” Fennis grinned.
“How do you handle prisoners?” Mira asked.
“It varies. We will see what information we can collect from them. We are usually unable to get a whole lot of information due to not being able to force them to speak.” Vebi replied. “If we are unable to get information before returning to the Federation capitol, they will be turned over to the holding facility. Sometimes we do prisoner exchanges, but it seems they have little cares for who we capture.”
“So you aren’t allowed to force them to speak to you?” Mira asked.
“I don’t understand. They either chose to speak or they do not.” Fennis replied.
“Ok. That’s going to be another talk between the four of us and it will probably get real uncomfortable for all of us.” Mira sighed. “Let’s talk about what we were going to talk about before we were so rudely interrupted.”
“Alright. And then I want to return to this prisoner talk.” Vebi replied.
Mira nodded agreement. “Alright. So, my understanding is that at one time or another each of your species has visited Earth, yet Black Hole had no records of humans or Earth, and the Federation Council seemed to find information about humans to be new. Why is that?”
Vebi raised a tentacle, “I can answer that. You may have noticed that our species classing system may feel odd to you. We have Drala who come from a lighter gravity planet and Acili who come from a heavier gravity planet on the same ship and both are classified as black class.” Mira nodded agreement. “Our classification is not based on how pleasant a planet’s atmosphere or weather is to all other species. Instead, it is based on how many can step foot on that planet without some aspect of the planet causing or nearly causing death. When most species step foot on any of our planets, it’s usually the plant-life that can cause such reactions from our counterparts that it is just too dangerous for them to come to us. However any of us, including you, could step foot on any of the other home worlds without out issues. You can eat nearly any of our foods without issue and the same for us for your foods. They could not do this. Even cooked, our foods could kill them. As you can see by my sash and Fennis’ uniform, we have a black circle around the Federation logo to let other members of the Federation know whether or not they can eat with us or visit our planets. I believe Black Hole has a blue circle around their Federation logo. Blue is the most plentiful. We can talk about the other colors later. As for why we knew about your planet but a blue class ship did not, it is more due to not having our information integrated enough. Each color designation shares networks and we have felt that getting what we feel is necessary information about other colors is too filled with inconveniences. Don’t misunderstand, it is absolutely possible to get such information, but it is by ship instead of a blanket request. Some take the time to make the requests, and some don’t. Some ships don’t have the necessary means to hold all of the information, so they carry only the information the need.
“Any black class ship would know all about your planet, but a ship from a different color designation may or may not. Many have no need to know about black class planets, so they don’t request the information.”
“That seems really dumb.” Mira replied.
Fennis chuckled. “I agree. We had to take on a lot of extra memory storage because we refused to not know anything. To be fair, if we were a class or two smaller in ship size, we would have only taking on the information for the most prevalent color classes. A council member would also be dependent on how large of a memory storage device they possessed and they don’t have the luxury of carrying it around with them on such a large vessel.”
“Wait, my portable was connected to….”
“The ship’s databases.” Vebi interrupted. “You were only connected with what the ship your portable was connected to.”
“I just assumed you had a galactic internet.” Mira replied.
“No. It would be nearly impossible to maintain such a large connection for information like that. We have message relay stations, which is how we are able to contact other ships or people and then you have a ship-wide internet.” Fennis explained.
“How was Z’natla able to make changes to the ship? She was able to make a program to duplicate sounds that were played on this ship while hers was so far away.”
“During communication, you are able to share files back and forth. She was able to use that connection to access our networks which she was given permission to do so.” Vebi explained.
“Oh. Like a hacker.” This word wasn’t translated properly yet so Mira had to explain what that meant. After having the explanation, they agreed that it was like a hacker.
“Ok. Let’s start with your people, Admiral Vebi. On Earth, they care called octopus. Plural is sometimes called Octopi or Octopuses. Both are considered correct, however I’ve always preferred Octopi. They are intelligent, but they are not considered sapient.”
“Devolution was always a possibility.” Vebi replied.
“I…. I don’t even know how to say this, so I’m going to say it plainly and badly. For many people, they are also considered food.”
Vebi patted her knee. “It’s ok. When they were left there, we expected that some may be eaten by predators. After devolving, they would no longer be considered Flx’usri. My people are not going to take offence to this. However, these are children of the condemned many hundreds of generations removed, so I would like an opportunity to visit with one to see if you simply can’t understand their language. We’ll cross that reef when we get to it. Don’t worry that I or my people will take offence. They were abandoned to whatever fate would do to them for their crimes.”
“There’s more, Admiral. Humans are very…..imaginative in our fantasy writings. Your people may get propositioned for relationships.”
Vebi blinked rapidly a few times. “That’s never happened before. My people are considered quite ugly by galactic standards. I don’t know how to even take that.” Fennis covered his mouth to attempt to stifle laughter. “I don’t even think my people are even remotely compatible with yours.”
Mira was red-faced from this conversation. “Yeah….. I don’t think that is going to matter to some people. I just wanted to warn you ahead of time. Humans are a bit different……” She looked over to Fennis. “Don’t think you’re going to be safe either.” She looked to the camera. “You either.” Mira sighed. “I think that’s the most awkward of the talks. Let’s move on to your people, Lieutenant Commander Fennis.” She brought up a few images on her portable to show him. “Your people look a lot like what we would call Gargoyles. At one point, they were added to buildings because it was thought that they would protect the people inside the building from evil. Though, when I saw your people flying, you look like something else.” She moved to a picture of a dragon in flight. “These are what we call dragons. Kind of similar to your name of Drala. I can see how if I had seen one of your people in flight where I had nothing to compare size to, I might think you could be so large up close. I just don’t know how your people would have been able to fly on my planet. Our gravity is too high for you.”
“We could have glided. So long as we weren’t trying to use any speed, the atmospheric belts we use, which were closer to harnesses back when we first explored your planet, would have been able to keep up with our movements if we only glided. Any faster than that, and you are correct, we would be affected by your gravity and likely crushed.”
“I suppose that makes sense. I’ll have to trust you on that one considering my people don’t have wings. Mainly, I didn’t want you to get offended by someone calling you a gargoyle or dragon or being surprised by the comparison.”
“I think my people will be alright. And I’ll be sure to remind them to mind their tempers in case they want to fight a human for some reason.”
Mira turned to the camera. “That leaves the Acili. Many years ago, a blurry photograph of one of your people was publicized. The name that was given to this new and strange creature was Bigfoot. Honestly, I have no idea why that was the name they came up with. At any rate, my people believed these Bigfeet could be a lost ancestor of ours from our past mutations to become humans. A branch that didn’t die out. There are people that hunt for your people. Their intention would be to kill so that they could then bring a bigfoot in to prove their existence. I know. It’s dumb. Some would want to trap, and others would just want to take pictures and observe as if you were a new animal. I’m sorry. I’m not intending to offend. It’s how we react to discovering something new on our planet when we thought we had already discovered everything. Some react with fear and others react with curiosity. Unfortunately, that curiosity can take really different forms and I didn’t want you to be blind sided by it either.
“However, I do think that the reaction to the Flx’usri will be the one worth worrying about the most. To know that we were a prison planet for your people may not be viewed in a good light. Honestly, we kind of did the same thing to one of our continents. It happened long enough ago that those people aren’t viewed badly, but the ones that put them there are sometimes reminded of what they did. I just can’t say how humans will react to knowing, so it’s really your choice on if you want to admit that or not. Maybe pretend to be surprised? Ask to meet an octopus and then make your decision then? It can always be ‘strange and wonderous’ to you. And you have no idea how this happened.” Mira shrugged.
“That seems sound advice.”
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This seemed like a good place to end for now. As always, upvotes and comments help me to know you're still interested. We'll get into the prisoners next chapter. Muahahahaha!
2023.02.02 16:00 _call-me-al_ [Thu, Feb 02 2023] TL;DR — Crypto news you missed in the last 24 hours on Reddit
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2023.02.02 11:47 BourbonGamer Kinetic (windstream) fiber internet? Anybody use it?
Currently with spectrum but received a flyer for kinetic and I am eligible for 500mbps for $39.99/mo.
I currently have 500mbps down but only 20mbps up with spectrum.
I would definitely be interested in trying Kinetic if they get close to advertised. Curious as to others experience in Lexington (I know windstream sucks rural)
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I currently have 500mbps down but only 20mbps up with spectrum.
I would definitely be interested in trying Kinetic if they get close to advertised. Curious as to others experience in Lexington (I know windstream sucks rural)
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2023.01.31 23:14 Haunting_Tale_5150 [Disney Theme Parks] Innoventions - The Road to Tomorrow has disheveled
Experience the road to tomorrow, today!
Up and coming technology is always interesting, with growth in new information and resources meaning that technology can always improve to improve day-to-day life. However, for a lot of people what that up and coming technology may be is a complete mystery or unavailable to them to see, use, and/or own. Leading a lot of fear towards what the new technology could do or misinformation. However what if, there was a way for the average person to not only see new technology in advance, but get a hands-on experience of how it works as well! Not only will it mitigate silly superstitions, but it can also bring up sales and brand recognition immensely. Not only that, but what if all of that was at Disney's largest theme park, meaning large amounts of people will see your product and spread the word. Sounds like an amazing opportunity for any company.
Now how would you react that not only did all of this actually happened, but it no longer exists.
This is the story of Innoventions, the attraction showcasing the latest and greatest. Why it was failed to be updated and how that failure lead to the attractions greatest controversy and closure.
Fair warning, further down is some actual heavy topics. So tread carefully down this wild tale about the road to tomorrow.
EPCOT (Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow)
Walt Disney was quite the optimist who had a lot of visions of what the far future would bring and how it would help humanity. He made many popular T.V. specials showcasing future living which inspired the creation of Tomorrowland, a showcase of various up-and-coming tech and how they could help human living. Maybe there will be rocket trips all across space to teach children about the ecosystems of the planets. Maybe submarines could take daily tours of the deep sea and discover our fantastical views of ocean life in the past was more real than expected.
However the genesis that started the EPCOT project was a lot funnier than a visionary coming up with optimistic ideas for a future society. Walt reportedly hated being woken up by garbage trucks or seeing the dirt on the streets of Los Angeles. This gave Walt the idea to create a great city that didn't have the loudness of garbage trucks and the problem of dirt and waste is obliterated. A city where technology is always growing, improving, and being replaced for the times. A plan he called EPCOT: the Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow.
EPCOT would have been circular in shape, with many branching businesses, houses, apartments, and greenery. There would have been a monorail and a Peoplemover to take people to and from places. Each business in EPCOT would have worked for Disney or a company that worked with Disney. It was also plannedto be under a dome to protect citizens from harsh weather.
The most interesting thing about EPCOT was that it was meant as a working prototype for the future of living, technology, and even government. There would have been an one thousand acre office park where businesses would work on new technologies. If a new advancement was made, homes within the city would be the first to receive these new advancements immediately. Testing products before they would be released to the rest of the world.
For example, let's say Joe lived in a home within EPCOT and had a toaster. If a building near him invented a smart toaster, Joe would see his old toaster be replaced by the smart toaster immediately. Joe would have no say on whether or not he wanted to keep his old toaster.
Walt was so devoted to this idea he televised his plan.
There were several issues plaguing Walt's dream of EPCOT. For example, many businesses could not grasp what the plan even was.
Walt also didn't think of the bigger picture and logistical questions behind EPCOT, which the imagineers had to figure out on their own after he passed. Stuff like "where would the kids go to school" and "what would weather, transport, and high powered trash disposal would mean in a city kept under a dome?"
However, despite all the oddness and dystopian ideas (for modern viewers looking at all his plans anyway), after Walt's passing, the imagineers wanted to keep his dream alive. At least the central core idea of having an area where the average person can experience the latest and greatest of technologies hands-on. This lead to the creation of...
EPCOT (The theme park)
The new plan was a whole theme park, known also as EPCOT Center (which I will just refer as EPCOT for the rest of the writeup). However, many people who had watched Walt's televised demonstration of his city were confused about the plan. So confused in fact that a pamphlet was made on how to answer certain questions. For example:
Originally, Future World really was going to live up to Walt's dreams and have guests be able to see demonstrations of future technologies, and may even get a chance to try them hands-on. However, many companies sponsoring attractions got cold feet about it, mainly due to fears that competing businesses would see or hear about the new technologies at EPCOT, take the plans, and release them to the world before the sponsor could. This is why many 80s EPCOT attractions went the route of telling origin stories about how current technology came to be (for example Spaceship Earth, about the history of communications) instead of testing future ones.
The closest attractions where guests could actually test some future technologies in the completed EPCOT were Journey into Imagination's Imageworks and the main attraction of this write-up, Communicore.
Communicore
Communicore was a portmanteau standing for "Communicator to the world". The original plans for Communicore was an area where guests will see the most creative members and great minds of the world give speeches. The speeches were planned to include some "Disney magic" so they could be both educational and entertaining. In a way the original vision was quite ahead of its time, as the plan sounds not too dissimilar to TED Talks), just in a theme park setting. However, with many guests still seeing the EPCOT concept as a way to see the future, today, Communicore had to become the hub to experience the groundbreaking technologies.
Let's take an imaginary walk through Communicore to experience all it had to offer.
There were two sections of Communicore: East and West, with East being the main one. You will see why further down our "walk".
Going down East, guests will encounter the highlight of Communicore: EPCOT Computer Central. The attraction originally starred Ken Jennings, the actor who played the original role of Sweenie Todd, as a cockney man who via Pepper's Ghost effect would dance around and sing about how the computers work. This version of the attraction was incredibly short-lived, lasting from 1982 to 1984. The attraction was reworked into Backstage Magic, which was so popular that the Backstage Magic name is still used for backstage tours. This Backstage Magic, however, was only focused on the computer aspect of Disney World, not the whole park. These computers showcased how EPCOT's computers control not only the rides, but also the animatronics and fancy touchscreens guests can encounter later in Communicore.
Going down further, guests would meet SMRT-1, a robot who played guessing games. He was voice activated, which was revolutionary at the time. The voice activation made it seem like guests were really playing a game with SMRT-1, rather than pushing some random buttons to make him work.
There was the Great American Census Quiz, which quizzed people on six topics, such as the 50 states and animals, complete with questions and answers that reflected up-to-date information. It was attached to a giant up-to-date population counter, to see the growth of humanity in real-time.
Going down further guests will encounter three touchscreen games. Manufactory, which had guests assemble an American Flag, if they get all the pieces together correctly a Mickey shape will appear. Get Set Jet, where guests use fingers to load luggage onto airplanes, with maintenance checks occasionally interrupting the loading to add challenge. Most interesting of all was Compute a Coaster, a build your own roller-coaster experience. The coaster was generated in CGI and the screen showed a view of the coaster after completion, as if the guests were riding the coaster they built. To tie it together with Disney magic, the attraction was hosted by a cartoon beaver who had a voice similar to Gopher from the Winnie the Pooh series.
There was Teleport, an interesting attraction where guests could see slideshows of various destinations with touchscreens. At the entrance was the World Festival Sphere, a sort of simulator pod to experience various countries.
Originally, the World Festival Sphere had a smell element, similar to the oranges on Soarin', where guests can experience the smells alongside the sights of their chosen country. However, the scents were cut from the experience after the discovery that the smell of tapas to represent Spain would linger in the sphere and overpowered other smells.
Then there was the Electronic Forum area of Communicore, which hosted two areas related to news and ongoing topics. There was the News Choice Theater, which had three hanging television banks that aired news, sports, business news, and Disney news. Below the hanging TVs were polls asking for the most important person of the 20th century.
Then there was the Future Choice Theater, where a host/hostess would present worldwide news topics and audience can submit their voice on the topic via answer panels on the armrests of the chairs.
The largest area of Communicore East was Energy Exchange, which had various exhibits dedicated to the topic of energy. This attraction was tied to the Universe of Energy ride. Guests were encouraged to visit Communicore after riding the Universe of Energy to get answers on any energy related questions they may have. Or they could visit to experience the future of energy hands-on.
Communicore East hosted two restaurants: Stargate and Beverage Base. Stargate had more traditional meals, while Beverage Base had refreshments and small snacks.
It also had a two level shop known as Centorioum, a riff on Magic Kingdom's most popular store Emporium (puns like this were very much Disney's humor at the time). Imagineers wanted to copy the Emporium's design goals, so the store was placed on the south-east of Communicore, that way when guests exit EPCOT, there was a large chance they would enter it. Remember when I said Communicore East was the "main area" of Communicore? Centorioum is most likely the reason why.
The first floor of Centorioum was dedicated to traditional EPCOT and Disney Merchandise while the second was dedicated to electronics, sports clothes, and Art of Disney Merchandise.
Communicore West had less attractions than its East side, but they were still notable. There was a large area known as Futurecom, dedicated to communications. Similar to how Energy Exchange was tied to Universe of Energy, this area was tied to Spaceship Earth.
The segments in Futurecom were full of strange whimsy. There was the Information Fountain, which showcased all the forms of communication in a familiar shape. The Age of Information had an animated display with wooden dolls and various touchscreen games. The A-mazing Microchip was a maze themed to microchips. The Intelligent Network showcased long distance telephone routes across the United States.
The most interesting part of Telecom was the attraction simply titled Teleconferencing. The guests were recorded by a camera which was used by a cast member to communicate with them via a television screen. This was incredibly ahead of its time and was used to help guests really feel like they stepped into the future.
There was also EXPO Robotics, which had various KUKA Arms do a variety of actions, such as precision top spinning, drawing portraits, and airbrushing t-shirts.
Some smaller areas included EPCOT Outreach, which displayed various concept art for future EPCOT exhibits. There was also The Teacher Center which had study guides for teachers looking to visit EPCOT for field trips. For those hungry over at West, it also had its own restaurant in the form of the Sunshine Terrace.
Communicore failed for a variety of reasons. The Future Choice Theater was originally heavily considered to be cloned to Disneyland's Tomorrowland, but it was discovered most guests did not know about the topics being discussed. It was also discovered most guests did not care much for the educational aspects of EPCOT and Communicore. The main draw for EPCOT's target audience was the fact one could buy alcohol there, something which was not commonplace at Disney theme parks at the time. There was also the lack of Disney themed attractions, something that was pitched to be solved with a TRON arcade placed within Communicore. This never happened due to the failure of the movie.
The most glaringly obvious thing that plagued Communicore though was that a lot of its technology already became outdated by the 90s, as much of it became updated over time outside EPCOT. Even though a shocking number of the technology on display did make its way into homes or other theme park attractions. Accurate technological displays were not enough to keep the overall experience from feeling outdated, or even boring.
In 1994 Communicore closed down to make way for...
Innoventions
Innoventions, much like Communicore before it, is a portmanteau: Invention + Innovation = Innovention. And indeed, the original goal of Innoventions was to showcase all of those. Unlike the sponsors of the past that got cold feet of showcasing new technology, a whole bunch of sponsors went on to sign up for the Innoventions deal. Let's showcase a few notable attractions that filled up the original Innoventions as well as the design changes done.
Unlike Communicore, which was an open air, natural designed experience, Innoventions windows were covered in darkness to bring a bright neon futuristic look to the experience.
The longest lasting Communicore exhibit to make its way into Innoventions was Centorium, which was slimmed down as a temporary shopping exhibit to make way for the MouseGears store. Mousegears was notable for having one of the original set pieces from Journey into Imagination: Dreamfinder's flying ship. Meanwhile, another Communicore leftover, SMRT-1 was moved to the Concourse Steakhouse at the Contemporary until he was removed due to technical issues. There's a rumor that he fell which caused damage to his base.
Innoventions had a Bill Nye exhibit during the height of the popular TV series that many a 90s and 2000s kid experienced in their science class. Bill Nye provided an introduction to what Innoventions (that being inventions + innovations, not the attraction) are, the clouds of doubt that plague creativity, and how to get over self doubt in a fun and impressive way. Bill Nye was used a lot in advertising materials and was sort of a mascot to the original experience.
There was Alec Tronic, an animatronic utilizing the bare endoskeleton format that was popular with Disney at the time to showcase their new fleet of animatronic technology. Now animatronics could move in a fluid way that was similar to humans, it was important to show this was actually advanced technology, and not actors in makeup and costumes.
There was also a large SEGA arcade, which became one of the main, if not the main, selling point of Innoventions. Complete with up and coming games that the public did not have access to, including a rumored beta of the infamous cancelled game Sonic Xtreme, due to the discovery of a Sonic Xtreme poster in footage. If you want a full walk-through of what the arcade offered, Badnik Mechanic has a wonderful video on it.
There was also the Walt Disney Imagineering Labs, which showcased VR prototypes that would become the basis of DisneyQuest.
There was also the Motorola exhibit which had a pretty cool (though currently dated) animatronic preshow featuring a robot fortune teller.
One of the most interesting areas was Disney's Internet Zone, an area to help kids understand the internet as well to advertise the failed Disney Go website. This area had a game called Toon Tag which would eventually give birth to the concept that became ToonTown Online. Toon Tag had guests control Mickey, Minnie, Donald or Goofy in a game where they had to catch each other to tag them. Toon Tag made its way into the released ToonTown game as a trolly game. Recently some really clear footage of Toon Tag was found. A great find for the Toontown community to get a piece of its history and for readers here today to get a glimpse of what its game play was like.
There was also Club Cool/Ice Station Cool, originally themed to a faux glacier, this area served Coca-Cola drinks from around the world. The most infamous flavor being the bitter Beverly.
There were also several sponsored attractions from the likes of Apple, Lego, General Electric and more. Including showcases like Sony's Aibo and a reported Kindle-like device.
The music for Innoventions was done by Russel Brower, who used David Arkenstone's Papillon as a "flavor" to get approved. The soundtrack became a staple for the whole of EPCOT, as speakers were placed around Innoventions, where the great score could be heard all around. Embedded in the sidewalks around Innoventions were fiber optic lights making a variety of shapes, some more generic, some related to EPCOT. There was also the Fountain of Nations out front, called such because on the opening day of the fountain, water from various countries was poured in as a sign of togetherness. The fountain was programmed to move along several grand songs during various points of the day.
The layout and lack of light ended up too confusing for guests and so in 1999, Innoventions was redesigned with a simpler layout with a map on the entrance walls to prevent confusion. The experience was also given a new marketing campaign to tie it altogether. Innoventions: The Road to Tomorrow.
Innoventions also gained a new mascot with the re-brand. Those growing up with Disney Channel in the 90s and early 2000s may recognize him, his name is Tom Morrow 2.0. His name is a sort of weird multilayered Disney reference, referencing an animatronic from the Rocket to the Moon ride, which then got referenced in the Peoplemover attraction. I suppose the 2.0 is meant to signify he's newer than the classic animatronic? Anyway Disney Channel used this character for their Imagineer That bumpers as a fun way to interview various imagineers. Tom Morrow served the purpose of introducing guests to Innoventions and what it could offer in a preshow, as well as a kinetic/directional element, as a Tom Morrow animatronic can be found sitting in directional poles as well as the exit.
Despite the need for a new layout and marketing, Innoventions was a huge success, so big in fact that Disneyland's team asked to make a clone as soon as work was under way for their late 90's Tomorrowland makeover. Finally, at last, the theater that once held Carousel of Progress and America Sings can have a proper attraction.
The Disneyland attraction was a bit of a mix between the original Innoventions and the Road to Tomorrow design wise. The attraction utilized both stories of the Carousel building to host a variety of sponsored exhibits. The Disneyland attraction also had a mascot: Tom Morrow 1.0, who reused a mold from the Timekeeper attraction at Disney World. Now the joke with Tom Morrow 2.0 is even more confusing.
The most unique part about Disneyland's Innoventions was that it hosted the Innoventions Dream Home, a spiritual successor to Monsanto's House of the Future. The attraction ended up being cloned to EPCOT's Innoventions and was renamed to The House of Innoventions. Disneyland's also had an interactive Stitch attraction, utilizing new technology that was a part of other shows, like Turtle Talk and Monster's Inc Laugh Floor.
Innoventions had a strong lineup of sponsors, ever changing technology within the sponsors and Disney, and immense popularity across both coasts. On paper, Innoventions seemed like a sure thing to become a long running popular attraction.
But it wasn't.
The Road of Tomorrow is Disheveled
Over time, sponsors went in and out of the attraction's agreement until there was very little left. There's a variety of reasons why this happened. The main one proposed being the rise of the internet. Internet's popularity caused many sponsors to realize that using it as a tool to showcase their new, upcoming technologies was a lot easier. Sure there was still a barrier to showcase the tech hands-on with the internet. However, videos can be used to create detailed showcases what new tech looks like and how to use it. It is also a lot easier to do a product showcase and keep it updated online as well. Having to continuously move the new technology to EPCOT or Disneyland for product demonstrations was both expensive and time-consuming. Why move tech to Disney to show it off when you can do it easier "at home"?
The internet also made it a lot easier to search what harmful things companies were doing behind closed doors. So if Disney allowed a controversial company, such as Nestle for example, to sponsor an attraction there would be bad press against Disney and larger fan outcry compared to the (mostly) more secluded 1990s.
The second was financial crises causing it to be expensive to showcase in EPCOT. SEGA being the most notable example of a sponsor that had severe money losses that caused them to cease showcases past the Dreamcast era (the Dreamcast arcade was significantly down-scaled from the original arcade for similar reasons). The financial crisis of 2008 also caused financial troubles to various companies that would have made them more wary of the costs of signing a contract just to promote some products.
The third is a bit more conspiracy-ish, but the cold feet that companies originally had in the 80s to showcase technologies in fear that rivals may steal ideas possibly never fully went away.
Finally, for Disney lead attractions such as Imagineering Labs and Internet Zone, it's possible a similar reasoning to the lack of updates to DisneyQuest happened. Which is that it was deemed easier and more impressive for new technologies to be displayed in actual, tried and true Disney rides and attractions, rather than small areas meant to showcase new tech. Plus the chances of guests revisiting the ride or attraction is greater than revisiting something like DisneyQuest or Innoventions, even with routine changes done.
If you were wondering about Disney's part of all this, according to a reputable insider, they really did try to get all the big tech firms to sign on for years. Not just within Innoventions, but EPCOT as a whole. None of the firms want to. Thus why any remaining attraction sponsors within EPCOT and Innoventions were some of the original sponsors (for example, General Motors sponsored Test Track ever since it was a dark ride) or from more traditional industries. You won't see the likes of Apple, Tesla, Google, etc. in EPCOT anymore.
However, Disney themselves are also seen as slightly an issue, as all the drunk people doing the drinking around the world challenge are also believed to be a reason why companies don't want to be associated with EPCOT anymore. Which is why there was a big push to introduce more kid friendly properties (Frozen and Ratatouille, for example) within the World Showcase recently.
Towards the end of Innoventions' life, all the cool tech showcases were replaced by stuff one would see in a general field trip or elementary school lesson. Stuff like The Great Piggy Bank Adventure and Where's the Fire?, which were not only a far cry from the past of the attraction, but also very much not the Disney quality one would expect. A failure across the board.
Things were a lot worse over at Disneyland's Innoventions, where a lot of it became abandoned, Tom Morrow 1.0 was put under a curtain, and the space became exclusively for meet n greets with Marvel and Star Wars characters.
In fact, EPCOT was lucky to have two saving graces that really made it stand out towards the end: the aforementioned Club Cool and Sum of all Thrills, which was a spiritual successor to Communicore's EXPO Robotics, Compute a Coaster, and DisneyQuest's Cyberspace Mountain. This ride had guests program a coaster on a touchscreen then ride their creation on a KUKA arm that was attached to a simulator pod. This ride solved issues with all three of its predecessors: EXPO robotics guests could see the robots, but never truly interact with them, Compute a Coaster guests could build a coaster, but never truly ride it, Cyberspace Mountain guests could build and ride a coaster, but the simulator setup made many riders motion sick. Sum of all Thrills was so beloved by fans, that its argued if the ride became stand alone, separate from Innoventions, it would still be open and would be considered a top five experience at EPCOT.
However, even with the declined state, everything at Innoventions still was entertaining for everyone. But then the Habit Heroes attacked.
Habit Zeroes
Fair warning, this section deals with heavy topics.
Habit Heroes was an attraction dedicated to healthy eating habits and how to avoid bad habits. Sounds pretty simple, and hey, EPCOT had an attraction like that in the past so its a perfect fit. Plus during the time, there was a big push by the Obama administration for healthy meals at schools, which brought forward a large health wave across America. So perfect timing too.
But then the contents of the ride were discovered. See the Habit Heroes, as per the title, are a group of super heroes that fight bad habit themed villains. For example, The Snacker, who represented over eating unhealthy foods. The appearances of the villains, however, were deemed demeaning and bullying to those of different body types. Many articles from psychologists, physicians, body image activists, parents, etc., were written critiquing Disney for the negative portrayals of individuals with body issues. There was especially fear the attraction could raise bullying towards the obese or cases of eating disorders and suicides in children who get a bad message from the attraction whether they were obese or not.
The attraction was reworked with consultation from health experts, but the damage was already done and the attraction closed not too long afterwards, but not before the Habit Heroes made an appearance in a Marvel comic. It's believed by some Disney fans that this attraction's failures may be the core reason why Wonders of Life, the health pavilion, became the future spot of the more generic Play pavilion and why new park specific IPs haven't been created much in America since then.
The closure of Innoventions and future plans
On May 19th 2019, Innoventions closed for a grand future vision of EPCOT. The original plan was for bits and pieces of Innoventions to be given new segmented areas, one for the gift shop, one for a new restaurant, etc. While Innoventions West was demolished for a new festival center. However, the COVID pandemic cancelled or postponed the majority of the EPCOT plans and the structures had to be rebuilt to become Communicore Plaza and Communicore Hall, with a rooftop garden. A chain of events that gains groans from many EPCOT fans who realize the error of demolishing then rebuilding buildings that should have never been demolished to begin with.
Meanwhile one of the "bits" did reach completion, as Mousegears moved and became the Creations Shop. Creations was initially critiqued as being bland compared to its predecessors, but since it has opened, Creations has had some really cool makeovers for recent festivals.
Meanwhile the core interactivity features of Innoventions seemed to move to Wonders of Life pavilion to become the Play Pavilion, which...may or may not be cancelled.
Life as an EPCOT fan is hard.
Meanwhile, Disneyland's Innoventions became Star Wars Launch Bay, a way to meet all your favorite Star Wars characters. However the opening of Star Wars Galaxy's Edge makes the space redundant, so it too needs a proper replacement.
If you do wish to experience what an Innoventions attraction looked like during its peak today, visit the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, where they host an updated version of IBM's exhibit that was hosted at Innoventions. Don't have the money? Check out Martin's Vids on Innoventions to make yourself very sad. Or boot up your favorite Toontown fork and play some Toon Tag, that always works too.
Time will tell what the future lies for interactive exhibits at both parks, but one thing's for certain. It won't be Innoventions.
EDIT: Here's a fun little bonus, Innoventions B-roll with Toon Tag footage! EDIT 2: Fixed images, minor details
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Up and coming technology is always interesting, with growth in new information and resources meaning that technology can always improve to improve day-to-day life. However, for a lot of people what that up and coming technology may be is a complete mystery or unavailable to them to see, use, and/or own. Leading a lot of fear towards what the new technology could do or misinformation. However what if, there was a way for the average person to not only see new technology in advance, but get a hands-on experience of how it works as well! Not only will it mitigate silly superstitions, but it can also bring up sales and brand recognition immensely. Not only that, but what if all of that was at Disney's largest theme park, meaning large amounts of people will see your product and spread the word. Sounds like an amazing opportunity for any company.
Now how would you react that not only did all of this actually happened, but it no longer exists.
This is the story of Innoventions, the attraction showcasing the latest and greatest. Why it was failed to be updated and how that failure lead to the attractions greatest controversy and closure.
Fair warning, further down is some actual heavy topics. So tread carefully down this wild tale about the road to tomorrow.
Walt Disney was quite the optimist who had a lot of visions of what the far future would bring and how it would help humanity. He made many popular T.V. specials showcasing future living which inspired the creation of Tomorrowland, a showcase of various up-and-coming tech and how they could help human living. Maybe there will be rocket trips all across space to teach children about the ecosystems of the planets. Maybe submarines could take daily tours of the deep sea and discover our fantastical views of ocean life in the past was more real than expected.
However the genesis that started the EPCOT project was a lot funnier than a visionary coming up with optimistic ideas for a future society. Walt reportedly hated being woken up by garbage trucks or seeing the dirt on the streets of Los Angeles. This gave Walt the idea to create a great city that didn't have the loudness of garbage trucks and the problem of dirt and waste is obliterated. A city where technology is always growing, improving, and being replaced for the times. A plan he called EPCOT: the Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow.
EPCOT would have been circular in shape, with many branching businesses, houses, apartments, and greenery. There would have been a monorail and a Peoplemover to take people to and from places. Each business in EPCOT would have worked for Disney or a company that worked with Disney. It was also plannedto be under a dome to protect citizens from harsh weather.
The most interesting thing about EPCOT was that it was meant as a working prototype for the future of living, technology, and even government. There would have been an one thousand acre office park where businesses would work on new technologies. If a new advancement was made, homes within the city would be the first to receive these new advancements immediately. Testing products before they would be released to the rest of the world.
For example, let's say Joe lived in a home within EPCOT and had a toaster. If a building near him invented a smart toaster, Joe would see his old toaster be replaced by the smart toaster immediately. Joe would have no say on whether or not he wanted to keep his old toaster.
Walt was so devoted to this idea he televised his plan.
There were several issues plaguing Walt's dream of EPCOT. For example, many businesses could not grasp what the plan even was.
Soon after the World's Fair, Walt and the Imagineers visited Westinghouse Electric headquarters to discuss the Community of Tomorrow. They'd eventually hit all the majors—IBM, DuPont, General Electric, the Sarnoff—but first up was Westinghouse. The day kicked off with Disney's EPCOT pitch, then Westinghouse followed with their own product preview. Then there was lunch, and then cocktails. Then more EPCOT talk. "By the next morning," Gurr says, "everybody was still saying, 'Well, what the hell is this place? I don't understand it!'"- Legendary Imagineer Bob Gurr
Walt also didn't think of the bigger picture and logistical questions behind EPCOT, which the imagineers had to figure out on their own after he passed. Stuff like "where would the kids go to school" and "what would weather, transport, and high powered trash disposal would mean in a city kept under a dome?"
However, despite all the oddness and dystopian ideas (for modern viewers looking at all his plans anyway), after Walt's passing, the imagineers wanted to keep his dream alive. At least the central core idea of having an area where the average person can experience the latest and greatest of technologies hands-on. This lead to the creation of...
The new plan was a whole theme park, known also as EPCOT Center (which I will just refer as EPCOT for the rest of the writeup). However, many people who had watched Walt's televised demonstration of his city were confused about the plan. So confused in fact that a pamphlet was made on how to answer certain questions. For example:
EX: “EPCOT the theme park? Was EPCOT originally supposed to be a city?”Which was quite the non-answer, but enough to quell people. In the meantime the upcoming theme park had other issues besides general public confusion. The most notable information to know about the EPCOT of the 80s was that it was divided by two sections: first was Future World, dedicated to future technologies and how they help humanity. Second, was World Showcase, dedicated to seeing the cultures and history around the world and the hope of bringing the world together.
ANSWER: “The word ‘Epcot’ -- when used alone -- refers to Walt Disney’s original dream and idea for the Florida project. Epcot -- the experimental community of tomorrow -- is actually ALL of Walt Disney World. NOT just EPCOT Center.
Originally, Future World really was going to live up to Walt's dreams and have guests be able to see demonstrations of future technologies, and may even get a chance to try them hands-on. However, many companies sponsoring attractions got cold feet about it, mainly due to fears that competing businesses would see or hear about the new technologies at EPCOT, take the plans, and release them to the world before the sponsor could. This is why many 80s EPCOT attractions went the route of telling origin stories about how current technology came to be (for example Spaceship Earth, about the history of communications) instead of testing future ones.
The closest attractions where guests could actually test some future technologies in the completed EPCOT were Journey into Imagination's Imageworks and the main attraction of this write-up, Communicore.
Communicore was a portmanteau standing for "Communicator to the world". The original plans for Communicore was an area where guests will see the most creative members and great minds of the world give speeches. The speeches were planned to include some "Disney magic" so they could be both educational and entertaining. In a way the original vision was quite ahead of its time, as the plan sounds not too dissimilar to TED Talks), just in a theme park setting. However, with many guests still seeing the EPCOT concept as a way to see the future, today, Communicore had to become the hub to experience the groundbreaking technologies.
Let's take an imaginary walk through Communicore to experience all it had to offer.
There were two sections of Communicore: East and West, with East being the main one. You will see why further down our "walk".
Going down East, guests will encounter the highlight of Communicore: EPCOT Computer Central. The attraction originally starred Ken Jennings, the actor who played the original role of Sweenie Todd, as a cockney man who via Pepper's Ghost effect would dance around and sing about how the computers work. This version of the attraction was incredibly short-lived, lasting from 1982 to 1984. The attraction was reworked into Backstage Magic, which was so popular that the Backstage Magic name is still used for backstage tours. This Backstage Magic, however, was only focused on the computer aspect of Disney World, not the whole park. These computers showcased how EPCOT's computers control not only the rides, but also the animatronics and fancy touchscreens guests can encounter later in Communicore.
Going down further, guests would meet SMRT-1, a robot who played guessing games. He was voice activated, which was revolutionary at the time. The voice activation made it seem like guests were really playing a game with SMRT-1, rather than pushing some random buttons to make him work.
There was the Great American Census Quiz, which quizzed people on six topics, such as the 50 states and animals, complete with questions and answers that reflected up-to-date information. It was attached to a giant up-to-date population counter, to see the growth of humanity in real-time.
Going down further guests will encounter three touchscreen games. Manufactory, which had guests assemble an American Flag, if they get all the pieces together correctly a Mickey shape will appear. Get Set Jet, where guests use fingers to load luggage onto airplanes, with maintenance checks occasionally interrupting the loading to add challenge. Most interesting of all was Compute a Coaster, a build your own roller-coaster experience. The coaster was generated in CGI and the screen showed a view of the coaster after completion, as if the guests were riding the coaster they built. To tie it together with Disney magic, the attraction was hosted by a cartoon beaver who had a voice similar to Gopher from the Winnie the Pooh series.
There was Teleport, an interesting attraction where guests could see slideshows of various destinations with touchscreens. At the entrance was the World Festival Sphere, a sort of simulator pod to experience various countries.
To be specific, you wanted to go to Columbia and visit the region of that country that inspired Disney’s “Encanto.”-Jim Hill
The way the World Festival Sphere worked was … First you could the attendant working at this CommuniCore attraction that you wanted to experience the Republic of Columbia. That EPCOT Center Host or Hostess then input the proper destination in the computer that powered this 14-foot-in-diameter sphere. You then stepped inside of the World Festival Sphere. And -- for 60 seconds -- music and images from that country washed over you.
American Express’ World Festival Sphere was outfitted with all sorts of video elements and theatrical lighting. The goal of this display was to temporarily overwhelm all of your senses. Make you feel like you had to go on vacation to this part of the world.
Originally, the World Festival Sphere had a smell element, similar to the oranges on Soarin', where guests can experience the smells alongside the sights of their chosen country. However, the scents were cut from the experience after the discovery that the smell of tapas to represent Spain would linger in the sphere and overpowered other smells.
Then there was the Electronic Forum area of Communicore, which hosted two areas related to news and ongoing topics. There was the News Choice Theater, which had three hanging television banks that aired news, sports, business news, and Disney news. Below the hanging TVs were polls asking for the most important person of the 20th century.
Then there was the Future Choice Theater, where a host/hostess would present worldwide news topics and audience can submit their voice on the topic via answer panels on the armrests of the chairs.
The largest area of Communicore East was Energy Exchange, which had various exhibits dedicated to the topic of energy. This attraction was tied to the Universe of Energy ride. Guests were encouraged to visit Communicore after riding the Universe of Energy to get answers on any energy related questions they may have. Or they could visit to experience the future of energy hands-on.
Communicore East hosted two restaurants: Stargate and Beverage Base. Stargate had more traditional meals, while Beverage Base had refreshments and small snacks.
It also had a two level shop known as Centorioum, a riff on Magic Kingdom's most popular store Emporium (puns like this were very much Disney's humor at the time). Imagineers wanted to copy the Emporium's design goals, so the store was placed on the south-east of Communicore, that way when guests exit EPCOT, there was a large chance they would enter it. Remember when I said Communicore East was the "main area" of Communicore? Centorioum is most likely the reason why.
The first floor of Centorioum was dedicated to traditional EPCOT and Disney Merchandise while the second was dedicated to electronics, sports clothes, and Art of Disney Merchandise.
Communicore West had less attractions than its East side, but they were still notable. There was a large area known as Futurecom, dedicated to communications. Similar to how Energy Exchange was tied to Universe of Energy, this area was tied to Spaceship Earth.
The segments in Futurecom were full of strange whimsy. There was the Information Fountain, which showcased all the forms of communication in a familiar shape. The Age of Information had an animated display with wooden dolls and various touchscreen games. The A-mazing Microchip was a maze themed to microchips. The Intelligent Network showcased long distance telephone routes across the United States.
The most interesting part of Telecom was the attraction simply titled Teleconferencing. The guests were recorded by a camera which was used by a cast member to communicate with them via a television screen. This was incredibly ahead of its time and was used to help guests really feel like they stepped into the future.
There was also EXPO Robotics, which had various KUKA Arms do a variety of actions, such as precision top spinning, drawing portraits, and airbrushing t-shirts.
Some smaller areas included EPCOT Outreach, which displayed various concept art for future EPCOT exhibits. There was also The Teacher Center which had study guides for teachers looking to visit EPCOT for field trips. For those hungry over at West, it also had its own restaurant in the form of the Sunshine Terrace.
Communicore failed for a variety of reasons. The Future Choice Theater was originally heavily considered to be cloned to Disneyland's Tomorrowland, but it was discovered most guests did not know about the topics being discussed. It was also discovered most guests did not care much for the educational aspects of EPCOT and Communicore. The main draw for EPCOT's target audience was the fact one could buy alcohol there, something which was not commonplace at Disney theme parks at the time. There was also the lack of Disney themed attractions, something that was pitched to be solved with a TRON arcade placed within Communicore. This never happened due to the failure of the movie.
The most glaringly obvious thing that plagued Communicore though was that a lot of its technology already became outdated by the 90s, as much of it became updated over time outside EPCOT. Even though a shocking number of the technology on display did make its way into homes or other theme park attractions. Accurate technological displays were not enough to keep the overall experience from feeling outdated, or even boring.
In 1994 Communicore closed down to make way for...
Innoventions, much like Communicore before it, is a portmanteau: Invention + Innovation = Innovention. And indeed, the original goal of Innoventions was to showcase all of those. Unlike the sponsors of the past that got cold feet of showcasing new technology, a whole bunch of sponsors went on to sign up for the Innoventions deal. Let's showcase a few notable attractions that filled up the original Innoventions as well as the design changes done.
Unlike Communicore, which was an open air, natural designed experience, Innoventions windows were covered in darkness to bring a bright neon futuristic look to the experience.
The longest lasting Communicore exhibit to make its way into Innoventions was Centorium, which was slimmed down as a temporary shopping exhibit to make way for the MouseGears store. Mousegears was notable for having one of the original set pieces from Journey into Imagination: Dreamfinder's flying ship. Meanwhile, another Communicore leftover, SMRT-1 was moved to the Concourse Steakhouse at the Contemporary until he was removed due to technical issues. There's a rumor that he fell which caused damage to his base.
Innoventions had a Bill Nye exhibit during the height of the popular TV series that many a 90s and 2000s kid experienced in their science class. Bill Nye provided an introduction to what Innoventions (that being inventions + innovations, not the attraction) are, the clouds of doubt that plague creativity, and how to get over self doubt in a fun and impressive way. Bill Nye was used a lot in advertising materials and was sort of a mascot to the original experience.
There was Alec Tronic, an animatronic utilizing the bare endoskeleton format that was popular with Disney at the time to showcase their new fleet of animatronic technology. Now animatronics could move in a fluid way that was similar to humans, it was important to show this was actually advanced technology, and not actors in makeup and costumes.
There was also a large SEGA arcade, which became one of the main, if not the main, selling point of Innoventions. Complete with up and coming games that the public did not have access to, including a rumored beta of the infamous cancelled game Sonic Xtreme, due to the discovery of a Sonic Xtreme poster in footage. If you want a full walk-through of what the arcade offered, Badnik Mechanic has a wonderful video on it.
There was also the Walt Disney Imagineering Labs, which showcased VR prototypes that would become the basis of DisneyQuest.
There was also the Motorola exhibit which had a pretty cool (though currently dated) animatronic preshow featuring a robot fortune teller.
One of the most interesting areas was Disney's Internet Zone, an area to help kids understand the internet as well to advertise the failed Disney Go website. This area had a game called Toon Tag which would eventually give birth to the concept that became ToonTown Online. Toon Tag had guests control Mickey, Minnie, Donald or Goofy in a game where they had to catch each other to tag them. Toon Tag made its way into the released ToonTown game as a trolly game. Recently some really clear footage of Toon Tag was found. A great find for the Toontown community to get a piece of its history and for readers here today to get a glimpse of what its game play was like.
There was also Club Cool/Ice Station Cool, originally themed to a faux glacier, this area served Coca-Cola drinks from around the world. The most infamous flavor being the bitter Beverly.
There were also several sponsored attractions from the likes of Apple, Lego, General Electric and more. Including showcases like Sony's Aibo and a reported Kindle-like device.
The music for Innoventions was done by Russel Brower, who used David Arkenstone's Papillon as a "flavor" to get approved. The soundtrack became a staple for the whole of EPCOT, as speakers were placed around Innoventions, where the great score could be heard all around. Embedded in the sidewalks around Innoventions were fiber optic lights making a variety of shapes, some more generic, some related to EPCOT. There was also the Fountain of Nations out front, called such because on the opening day of the fountain, water from various countries was poured in as a sign of togetherness. The fountain was programmed to move along several grand songs during various points of the day.
The layout and lack of light ended up too confusing for guests and so in 1999, Innoventions was redesigned with a simpler layout with a map on the entrance walls to prevent confusion. The experience was also given a new marketing campaign to tie it altogether. Innoventions: The Road to Tomorrow.
Innoventions also gained a new mascot with the re-brand. Those growing up with Disney Channel in the 90s and early 2000s may recognize him, his name is Tom Morrow 2.0. His name is a sort of weird multilayered Disney reference, referencing an animatronic from the Rocket to the Moon ride, which then got referenced in the Peoplemover attraction. I suppose the 2.0 is meant to signify he's newer than the classic animatronic? Anyway Disney Channel used this character for their Imagineer That bumpers as a fun way to interview various imagineers. Tom Morrow served the purpose of introducing guests to Innoventions and what it could offer in a preshow, as well as a kinetic/directional element, as a Tom Morrow animatronic can be found sitting in directional poles as well as the exit.
Despite the need for a new layout and marketing, Innoventions was a huge success, so big in fact that Disneyland's team asked to make a clone as soon as work was under way for their late 90's Tomorrowland makeover. Finally, at last, the theater that once held Carousel of Progress and America Sings can have a proper attraction.
The Disneyland attraction was a bit of a mix between the original Innoventions and the Road to Tomorrow design wise. The attraction utilized both stories of the Carousel building to host a variety of sponsored exhibits. The Disneyland attraction also had a mascot: Tom Morrow 1.0, who reused a mold from the Timekeeper attraction at Disney World. Now the joke with Tom Morrow 2.0 is even more confusing.
The most unique part about Disneyland's Innoventions was that it hosted the Innoventions Dream Home, a spiritual successor to Monsanto's House of the Future. The attraction ended up being cloned to EPCOT's Innoventions and was renamed to The House of Innoventions. Disneyland's also had an interactive Stitch attraction, utilizing new technology that was a part of other shows, like Turtle Talk and Monster's Inc Laugh Floor.
Innoventions had a strong lineup of sponsors, ever changing technology within the sponsors and Disney, and immense popularity across both coasts. On paper, Innoventions seemed like a sure thing to become a long running popular attraction.
But it wasn't.
Over time, sponsors went in and out of the attraction's agreement until there was very little left. There's a variety of reasons why this happened. The main one proposed being the rise of the internet. Internet's popularity caused many sponsors to realize that using it as a tool to showcase their new, upcoming technologies was a lot easier. Sure there was still a barrier to showcase the tech hands-on with the internet. However, videos can be used to create detailed showcases what new tech looks like and how to use it. It is also a lot easier to do a product showcase and keep it updated online as well. Having to continuously move the new technology to EPCOT or Disneyland for product demonstrations was both expensive and time-consuming. Why move tech to Disney to show it off when you can do it easier "at home"?
The internet also made it a lot easier to search what harmful things companies were doing behind closed doors. So if Disney allowed a controversial company, such as Nestle for example, to sponsor an attraction there would be bad press against Disney and larger fan outcry compared to the (mostly) more secluded 1990s.
The second was financial crises causing it to be expensive to showcase in EPCOT. SEGA being the most notable example of a sponsor that had severe money losses that caused them to cease showcases past the Dreamcast era (the Dreamcast arcade was significantly down-scaled from the original arcade for similar reasons). The financial crisis of 2008 also caused financial troubles to various companies that would have made them more wary of the costs of signing a contract just to promote some products.
The third is a bit more conspiracy-ish, but the cold feet that companies originally had in the 80s to showcase technologies in fear that rivals may steal ideas possibly never fully went away.
Finally, for Disney lead attractions such as Imagineering Labs and Internet Zone, it's possible a similar reasoning to the lack of updates to DisneyQuest happened. Which is that it was deemed easier and more impressive for new technologies to be displayed in actual, tried and true Disney rides and attractions, rather than small areas meant to showcase new tech. Plus the chances of guests revisiting the ride or attraction is greater than revisiting something like DisneyQuest or Innoventions, even with routine changes done.
If you were wondering about Disney's part of all this, according to a reputable insider, they really did try to get all the big tech firms to sign on for years. Not just within Innoventions, but EPCOT as a whole. None of the firms want to. Thus why any remaining attraction sponsors within EPCOT and Innoventions were some of the original sponsors (for example, General Motors sponsored Test Track ever since it was a dark ride) or from more traditional industries. You won't see the likes of Apple, Tesla, Google, etc. in EPCOT anymore.
However, Disney themselves are also seen as slightly an issue, as all the drunk people doing the drinking around the world challenge are also believed to be a reason why companies don't want to be associated with EPCOT anymore. Which is why there was a big push to introduce more kid friendly properties (Frozen and Ratatouille, for example) within the World Showcase recently.
Towards the end of Innoventions' life, all the cool tech showcases were replaced by stuff one would see in a general field trip or elementary school lesson. Stuff like The Great Piggy Bank Adventure and Where's the Fire?, which were not only a far cry from the past of the attraction, but also very much not the Disney quality one would expect. A failure across the board.
Things were a lot worse over at Disneyland's Innoventions, where a lot of it became abandoned, Tom Morrow 1.0 was put under a curtain, and the space became exclusively for meet n greets with Marvel and Star Wars characters.
In fact, EPCOT was lucky to have two saving graces that really made it stand out towards the end: the aforementioned Club Cool and Sum of all Thrills, which was a spiritual successor to Communicore's EXPO Robotics, Compute a Coaster, and DisneyQuest's Cyberspace Mountain. This ride had guests program a coaster on a touchscreen then ride their creation on a KUKA arm that was attached to a simulator pod. This ride solved issues with all three of its predecessors: EXPO robotics guests could see the robots, but never truly interact with them, Compute a Coaster guests could build a coaster, but never truly ride it, Cyberspace Mountain guests could build and ride a coaster, but the simulator setup made many riders motion sick. Sum of all Thrills was so beloved by fans, that its argued if the ride became stand alone, separate from Innoventions, it would still be open and would be considered a top five experience at EPCOT.
However, even with the declined state, everything at Innoventions still was entertaining for everyone. But then the Habit Heroes attacked.
Fair warning, this section deals with heavy topics.
Habit Heroes was an attraction dedicated to healthy eating habits and how to avoid bad habits. Sounds pretty simple, and hey, EPCOT had an attraction like that in the past so its a perfect fit. Plus during the time, there was a big push by the Obama administration for healthy meals at schools, which brought forward a large health wave across America. So perfect timing too.
But then the contents of the ride were discovered. See the Habit Heroes, as per the title, are a group of super heroes that fight bad habit themed villains. For example, The Snacker, who represented over eating unhealthy foods. The appearances of the villains, however, were deemed demeaning and bullying to those of different body types. Many articles from psychologists, physicians, body image activists, parents, etc., were written critiquing Disney for the negative portrayals of individuals with body issues. There was especially fear the attraction could raise bullying towards the obese or cases of eating disorders and suicides in children who get a bad message from the attraction whether they were obese or not.
"We're appalled to learn that Disney, a traditional hallmark of childhood happiness and joy, has fallen under the shadow of negativity and discrimination. It appears that Disney now believes that using the tool of shame, favored so much by today's healthcare corporations, is the best way to communicate with children. Disney, in partnering with Blue Cross/Blue Shield, has taken the side of the bullies." - The National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance.Not only that, but the handling of other, non-junk food related, bad habits were also critiqued. One super villain was Control Freak, who represented video game addictions, which was too small of an area to discuss as unhealthy addictions can branch out into other areas (for example, other forms of media and drugs). There was also Insecura, who had an insecure body image, which was not a bad habit at all and was critiqued for being too distasteful.
"A little Dance, Dance Revolution and some broccoli spears ought to clear everything up, right. Here's to Disney's reinforcing society's most hateful negative obesity stereotyping." - Dr. Yoni Freedhoff, a bariatric surgeon in Ottawa, Canada, on his WeightyMatters blog.
The attraction was reworked with consultation from health experts, but the damage was already done and the attraction closed not too long afterwards, but not before the Habit Heroes made an appearance in a Marvel comic. It's believed by some Disney fans that this attraction's failures may be the core reason why Wonders of Life, the health pavilion, became the future spot of the more generic Play pavilion and why new park specific IPs haven't been created much in America since then.
On May 19th 2019, Innoventions closed for a grand future vision of EPCOT. The original plan was for bits and pieces of Innoventions to be given new segmented areas, one for the gift shop, one for a new restaurant, etc. While Innoventions West was demolished for a new festival center. However, the COVID pandemic cancelled or postponed the majority of the EPCOT plans and the structures had to be rebuilt to become Communicore Plaza and Communicore Hall, with a rooftop garden. A chain of events that gains groans from many EPCOT fans who realize the error of demolishing then rebuilding buildings that should have never been demolished to begin with.
Meanwhile one of the "bits" did reach completion, as Mousegears moved and became the Creations Shop. Creations was initially critiqued as being bland compared to its predecessors, but since it has opened, Creations has had some really cool makeovers for recent festivals.
Meanwhile the core interactivity features of Innoventions seemed to move to Wonders of Life pavilion to become the Play Pavilion, which...may or may not be cancelled.
Life as an EPCOT fan is hard.
Meanwhile, Disneyland's Innoventions became Star Wars Launch Bay, a way to meet all your favorite Star Wars characters. However the opening of Star Wars Galaxy's Edge makes the space redundant, so it too needs a proper replacement.
If you do wish to experience what an Innoventions attraction looked like during its peak today, visit the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, where they host an updated version of IBM's exhibit that was hosted at Innoventions. Don't have the money? Check out Martin's Vids on Innoventions to make yourself very sad. Or boot up your favorite Toontown fork and play some Toon Tag, that always works too.
Time will tell what the future lies for interactive exhibits at both parks, but one thing's for certain. It won't be Innoventions.
EDIT: Here's a fun little bonus, Innoventions B-roll with Toon Tag footage! EDIT 2: Fixed images, minor details